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Post by ben on Mar 26, 2017 16:58:04 GMT
We can just call it The Blue Monarch Effect...lol Signed.
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Post by josv2 on Mar 29, 2017 1:54:38 GMT
Yes! And both announcers are on the elderly side and had no reading glasses on. I'm sure the text inside the envelopes was very large, but yes - the text outside was too small for them to read. All I'm saying is that this feels like a root cause analysis. Like an engineering disaster. There are no accidents at their precious rites. Nothing is meaningless.
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Post by josv2 on Mar 29, 2017 2:01:15 GMT
Hey Jos, I have some questions, great thread by the way guys. You hinted at part of the programming being the subject having a perspective of the programmer/s having otherworldly qualities, or being superior than a regular human being like being able to read minds. Would similar methodoligies involve mentioning things offhand that would seem to suggest this, while also feeding particular aspects of the individual? For instance, let's say I was close to a subject and I am the programmer and I say "my world is fire and blood" with not much context and while the subject is partially through the process. This infers mulitple things; I am other-worldly, I have no disdain for very dark concepts/realities, I am partial to things unknown to you (the subject) etc. Then lets say I pair that with utterances that should trigger reactions within the target's mind/personality to make the subject even more on edge, paranoid and annoyed/angry. But also maybe flatter the subject but at specific intervals/times, maybe not flatter but atleast "reward" the subject in a way that will pander to the personality of the subject in a positive way. This I assume would create chaos within the subject's mind and further push the process along to the point where hopefully I could create order out of that chaos. Is any of this familiar to you? Sorry for some odd wording, grammar and some information I cannot write out at the moment, I am quite tired. Pain is fear exiting the body.
Your wording wasn't odd at all. Paired with altered states and stimuli, what you describe is programming.
False Evidence Appearing Real
The spirit of what we air is: imagine a woman, crying, walking down the street with her throat cut.
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Post by josv2 on Mar 29, 2017 2:02:35 GMT
I apologize to the board for my extended absence. I needed some time to work through some professional things and to center myself once more. I hope you've been well.
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Post by Therin on Mar 29, 2017 11:41:55 GMT
All I'm saying is that this feels like a root cause analysis. Like an engineering disaster. There are no accidents at their precious rites. Nothing is meaningless. ...unless it's that spiritual mumbo jumbo.
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Post by Therin on Mar 29, 2017 11:42:40 GMT
Seems I've found a contradiction. I wonder why you pointed it out.
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Post by josv2 on Mar 30, 2017 1:12:22 GMT
Seems I've found a contradiction. I wonder why you pointed it out. Elaborate?
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Post by . on Mar 30, 2017 3:29:53 GMT
Josh is such a snowflake he can't handle someone calling him a fake?
That wasn't Jos deleting your gobbledigoo. Don't Spam your Drama here.
Sincerely - ben
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:28:13 GMT
Welcome back, Jos. I am glad you have found your center. I must continually find mine it seems. I have a question about memory of trauma. If the memory is purposefully wiped (and not in the case of shattering), how is this done exactly? Is the brain physically damaged, or only the psyche? Are the memories still there - stored somewhere not easily accessible to the conscious mind? Can they be recovered? I know this is a huge multi-part question. I appreciate any info you can provide when you can provide it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 18:29:48 GMT
Josh is such a snowflake he can't handle someone calling him a fake? Out, damned spot.
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Post by T on Mar 30, 2017 19:14:02 GMT
You ppl falling for Jos's bullshit? If he is wise, he will back off and stay away before the real deal comes at him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:27:30 GMT
You ppl falling for Jos's bullshit? If he is wise, he will back off and stay away before the real deal comes at him. Jos' content is quite the value added to this site. I can see how he would be mocked if one worked for a competitive site. The "real deal" or not - good content is good content.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 23:10:00 GMT
Hi again Andrea. Looks like it is our day to interact.
In regards to your question about recovering memories from trauma, are you asking about trauma in general that can happen to anyone or trauma purposefully inflicted by these handlers and their ilk?
I only ask because I recovered memories from my trauma at the age of 42. The trauma happened when I was 6 years old at the hands of Jos' colleagues/predecessors and organization if we are to believe they are who they say they are and he is for real at all. I lived my life from 6 until 42 mostly unaware of this trauma having happened to me. The only inkling I had (which popped into a few dreams over those years) was me, as a child, going into a room, the big door being shut, and then feeling it was not good. For many years, I thought perhaps I was molested by a neighbor or even my own father, but it was a vague suspicion that I quickly suppressed. When I recovered the memories of the full trauma inflicted upon me (the sexual and the mental stuff) and reassessed my whole life (relationships, handlers, special school program, MIC family connections, etc.) up to that point. Everything fell into place, but it was also devastating and sent me into a spiral which led to 2 unsuccessful suicide attempts (code green).
That all being said, my recovering memories stemmed from a few different aspects which created a perfect storm of sorts in my life. It all began in 2011 when I began staring directly into the sun for 1 to 2 hours a day for a stretch of a few months. It was an odd drive to do this as most information out there tells you that staring directly at the sun will cause rather fast physical damage to the eyes. In this staring, I experienced what really began my spiritual journey. It was as if I was downloading things from the interaction and the sun had such a pull on me (almost like communicating with it). This is when I first encountered "Source". Forward to the summer of 2012, where I went to work at a large corporation where I was put under intense scrutiny (very similar psychological methods used on me as a 6 y/o). There were also very subtle death-threats expressed to me in the workplace. It quickly became a battle of wills, with me having to dig deep spiritually (mostly my maternal great-great-great Cherokee grandmother who survived the Trail of Tears as a child when a family took her in in Tennessee) and more sun-staring/downloading. The intensity of that workplace and them triggering me led to my jarring of memory of my own abuse as a child. There are many other things I experienced that summer (intense continual synchronicities and the like) up until me leaving that company after feeling I accomplished my heart-mission. The suicide-attempts came after that because of it being way-too-much, way-too-fast for me to cope fully in the end. It may have also been me not playing along with their agenda, recovering memories, and this the "code green" failsafe kicking in for their protection. It was all the weirdest, yet most lucid time of my life.
However, I am guessing I was also shattered from that abuse as I still exhibit, at times, what I think are numerous alters which I can now recognize. I feel I have bridged the gap between all of them, and they all know what is up. It feels more whole than any other time in my life, but took lots of inward working and watching out for triggers and finding ways to deal with those (see Andrea's words on stopping the effect of triggers in Andrea's Ascension thread). It also takes maintaining a certain awareness everyday of the fact these people are out there and they keep perpetuating these crimes against humanity. As I see it, they will not stop. I am not sure if they just lack empathy or their drive for money and power is so great that they will do whatever it takes to make it happen for them regardless of the suffering they inflict.
While I aprreciate to an extent what Jos is doing here, I also see his non-chalant attitude about this (at times) as very disturbing. It isn't cute or funny what is going on here. It changes a person's life forever and can pop up to torment in a moments notice.
P.S. I do not share my story to garner sympathy, but only to give perspective from someone who has been through it in his own way. I know many others have been through traumas far worse than mine and who are under daily control because of their "value"$$$ to the controllers.
Addendum: It was not my father or a neighbor who abused me. It happened at my public school in a private room for G.A.T.E. (formerly MGM) students, which was a program on-going for "gifted" students. What these "gifts" are/were is much-debated. They said it was for mentally gifted children (IQ-related), but others who were in this program back then and who compared notes believe the "gifts" were something much different than just IQ/mental smarts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 23:34:34 GMT
Hi again Andrea. Looks like it is our day to interact. In regards to your question about recovering memories from trauma, are you asking about trauma in general that can happen to anyone or trauma purposefully inflicted by these handlers and their ilk? I only ask because I recovered memories from my trauma at the age of 42. The trauma happened when I was 6 years old at the hands of Jos' colleagues/predecessors and organization if we are to believe they are who they say they are and he is for real at all. I lived my life from 6 until 42 completely unaware of this trauma having happened to me. The only inkling I had (which popped into a few dreams over those years) was me, as a child, going into a room, the big door being shut, and then feeling it was not good. For many years, I thought perhaps I was molested by a neighbor or even my own father, but it was a vague suspicion that I quickly suppressed. When I recovered the memories of the full trauma inflicted upon me (the sexual and the mental stuff) and reassessed my whole life (relationships, handlers, special school program, MIC family connections, etc.) up to that point. Everything fell into place, but it was also devastating and sent me into a spiral which led to 2 unsuccessful suicide attempts (code green). However, I am guessing I was also shattered from that abuse as I still exhibit, at times, what I think are numerous alters which I can now recognize. I feel I have bridged the gap between all of them, and they all know what is up. It feels more whole than any other time in my life, but took lots of inward working and watching out for triggers and finding ways to deal with those (see Andrea's words on stopping the effect of triggers in Andrea's Ascension thread). It also takes maintaining a certain awareness everyday of the fact these people are out there and they keep perpetuating these crimes against humanity. As I see it, they will not stop. I am not sure if they just lack empathy or their drive for money and power is so great that they will do whatever it takes to make it happen for them regardless of the suffering they inflict. While I aprreciate to an extent what Jos is doing here, I also see his non-chalant attitude about this (at times) as very disturbing. It isn't cute or funny what is going on here. It changes a person's life forever and can pop up to torment in a moments notice. P.S. I do not share my story to garner sympathy, but only to give perspective from someone who has been through it in his own way. I know many others have been through traumas far worse than mine and who are under daily control because of their "value"$$$ to the controllers. Hello again Edmond, I am asking about trauma purposefully inflicted and wiping the memory of such, also on purpose. Our experiences are similar, actually. I have only recently been assaulted with memories of worse trauma than I had flashes of throughout my life. I had assumed I was molested and tested upon, but now I feel I was purposefully traumatized in other, worse ways when I was a child. To some extent it seems the "shattering" is a normal byproduct of extreme trauma. The mind compartmentalizes such damaging thought forms to keep them from harming the body so it may continue. As for Jos' attitude - and please forgive me for speaking of you in the third person, Jos - of course he must be non-chalant to do what he does. I liken him to an overseer of slaves back in the 1800s in the American south. He is a slave too, and he is a victim likewise, but he has been put in the position of becoming a victimizer of his victim brethren - or suffer the consequences. He has been programmed to do what he does from an early age. If he did not, he would be dead by now most likely. So he chose to survive and cop to their world view. He posts to us to inform us and also to savor the piece of humanity that still resides in his heart. And yes, I am soft with Jos because I have been conversing with him for over a year, and he has helped me, but what is in it for him to do this? Truly? He only risks exposure. And thank you for sharing your story, Edmond. It is nice to know that there are others out there with similar experiences who are overcoming them. <3
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 23:53:40 GMT
Hi again Andrea. Looks like it is our day to interact. In regards to your question about recovering memories from trauma, are you asking about trauma in general that can happen to anyone or trauma purposefully inflicted by these handlers and their ilk? I only ask because I recovered memories from my trauma at the age of 42. The trauma happened when I was 6 years old at the hands of Jos' colleagues/predecessors and organization if we are to believe they are who they say they are and he is for real at all. I lived my life from 6 until 42 completely unaware of this trauma having happened to me. The only inkling I had (which popped into a few dreams over those years) was me, as a child, going into a room, the big door being shut, and then feeling it was not good. For many years, I thought perhaps I was molested by a neighbor or even my own father, but it was a vague suspicion that I quickly suppressed. When I recovered the memories of the full trauma inflicted upon me (the sexual and the mental stuff) and reassessed my whole life (relationships, handlers, special school program, MIC family connections, etc.) up to that point. Everything fell into place, but it was also devastating and sent me into a spiral which led to 2 unsuccessful suicide attempts (code green). However, I am guessing I was also shattered from that abuse as I still exhibit, at times, what I think are numerous alters which I can now recognize. I feel I have bridged the gap between all of them, and they all know what is up. It feels more whole than any other time in my life, but took lots of inward working and watching out for triggers and finding ways to deal with those (see Andrea's words on stopping the effect of triggers in Andrea's Ascension thread). It also takes maintaining a certain awareness everyday of the fact these people are out there and they keep perpetuating these crimes against humanity. As I see it, they will not stop. I am not sure if they just lack empathy or their drive for money and power is so great that they will do whatever it takes to make it happen for them regardless of the suffering they inflict. While I aprreciate to an extent what Jos is doing here, I also see his non-chalant attitude about this (at times) as very disturbing. It isn't cute or funny what is going on here. It changes a person's life forever and can pop up to torment in a moments notice. P.S. I do not share my story to garner sympathy, but only to give perspective from someone who has been through it in his own way. I know many others have been through traumas far worse than mine and who are under daily control because of their "value"$$$ to the controllers. Hello again Edmond, I am asking about trauma purposefully inflicted and wiping the memory of such, also on purpose. Our experiences are similar, actually. I have only recently been assaulted with memories of worse trauma than I had flashes of throughout my life. I had assumed I was molested and tested upon, but now I feel I was purposefully traumatized in other, worse ways when I was a child. To some extent it seems the "shattering" is a normal byproduct of extreme trauma. The mind compartmentalizes such damaging thought forms to keep them from harming the body so it may continue. As for Jos' attitude - and please forgive me for speaking of you in the third person, Jos - of course he must be non-chalant to do what he does. I liken him to an overseer of slaves back in the 1800s in the American south. He is a slave too, and he is a victim likewise, but he has been put in the position of becoming a victimizer of his victim brethren - or suffer the consequences. He has been programmed to do what he does from an early age. If he did not, he would be dead by now most likely. So he chose to survive and cop to their world view. He posts to us to inform us and also to savor the piece of humanity that still resides in his heart. And yes, I am soft with Jos because I have been conversing with him for over a year, and he has helped me, but what is in it for him to do this? Truly? He only risks exposure. And thank you for sharing your story, Edmond. It is nice to know that there are others out there with similar experiences who are overcoming them. <3 Thank you Andrea <3. I have added some additional text in my post as it explains a little more about my recovering memories and what I think caused it (it is pretty wacky). I understand what you are saying about Jos. You are right. He is a slave too and has probably been victimized also. We all choose how we address this and I can still have some empathy, even for those, who choose making others suffer over their own suffering and potential demise. Not many choose to go against the beast and call them out for what they are. I am sorry Jos if I have offended you in any way. I know you are a human with a heart and feelings. Yet, the fact this stuff is allowed to continue is unacceptable. There is more to us than just this material life and a much longer journey for the soul. Peace y'all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 0:02:48 GMT
Hello again Edmond, I am asking about trauma purposefully inflicted and wiping the memory of such, also on purpose. Our experiences are similar, actually. I have only recently been assaulted with memories of worse trauma than I had flashes of throughout my life. I had assumed I was molested and tested upon, but now I feel I was purposefully traumatized in other, worse ways when I was a child. To some extent it seems the "shattering" is a normal byproduct of extreme trauma. The mind compartmentalizes such damaging thought forms to keep them from harming the body so it may continue. As for Jos' attitude - and please forgive me for speaking of you in the third person, Jos - of course he must be non-chalant to do what he does. I liken him to an overseer of slaves back in the 1800s in the American south. He is a slave too, and he is a victim likewise, but he has been put in the position of becoming a victimizer of his victim brethren - or suffer the consequences. He has been programmed to do what he does from an early age. If he did not, he would be dead by now most likely. So he chose to survive and cop to their world view. He posts to us to inform us and also to savor the piece of humanity that still resides in his heart. And yes, I am soft with Jos because I have been conversing with him for over a year, and he has helped me, but what is in it for him to do this? Truly? He only risks exposure. And thank you for sharing your story, Edmond. It is nice to know that there are others out there with similar experiences who are overcoming them. <3 Thank you Andrea <3. I have added some additional text in my post as it explains a little more about my recovering memories and what I think caused it (it is pretty wacky). I understand what you are saying about Jos. You are right. He is a slave too and has probably been victimized also. We all choose how we address this and I can still have some empathy, even for those, who choose making others suffer over their own suffering and potential demise. Not many choose to go against the beast and call them out for what they are. I am sorry Jos if I have offended you in any way. I know you are a human with a heart and feelings. Yet, the fact this stuff is allowed to continue is unacceptable. There is more to us than just this material life and a much longer journey for the soul. Peace y'all. Wow - thank you for sharing your story. I am honored to hear it, and I am very glad you are here. <3
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 0:15:07 GMT
Also, something else I have pondered for some time is whether "asset-slaves" (as I call them) are moved into positions of "handler-slaves". Part of me feels like this is a progression or positioning that can occur when the asset-slaves value goes down in the areas desired (e.g., not producing the desired results anymore). It seems to explain somewhat why certain asset-slaves are killed off and why some are allowed to survive longer. Which this brings up more and more questions about even if we feel we are recovering, are we still just a tool being used at some level.
I only mention this because I try to constantly stay aware of any tendencies I have that lean toward a "handling" one. I have certain traits and behaviours that suggest this possibility. I also have seen these traits expressed in others who are recovering from these sorts of traumas. I still lean towards and fall back upon...all will be as it should be if the heart is kept in the right place, though sometimes easier said than done. Also, if we cannot trust the "spiritual" world, then what can be trusted. All comes down to faith in the end to the best of my discernment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 0:18:16 GMT
Thank you Andrea <3. I have added some additional text in my post as it explains a little more about my recovering memories and what I think caused it (it is pretty wacky). I understand what you are saying about Jos. You are right. He is a slave too and has probably been victimized also. We all choose how we address this and I can still have some empathy, even for those, who choose making others suffer over their own suffering and potential demise. Not many choose to go against the beast and call them out for what they are. I am sorry Jos if I have offended you in any way. I know you are a human with a heart and feelings. Yet, the fact this stuff is allowed to continue is unacceptable. There is more to us than just this material life and a much longer journey for the soul. Peace y'all. Wow - thank you for sharing your story. I am honored to hear it, and I am very glad you are here. <3 Thank you for you and for bringing these questions to us all. I am equally glad you are here, now, at this moment <3 And thank you for sharing more about yourself. It always helps to somewhat know where someone is coming from.
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Post by josv2 on Mar 31, 2017 5:08:18 GMT
Welcome back, Jos. I am glad you have found your center. I must continually find mine it seems. I have a question about memory of trauma. If the memory is purposefully wiped (and not in the case of shattering), how is this done exactly? Is the brain physically damaged, or only the psyche? Are the memories still there - stored somewhere not easily accessible to the conscious mind? Can they be recovered? I know this is a huge multi-part question. I appreciate any info you can provide when you can provide it. Memory can't be destroyed, only masked. This is achieved usually via altered state, but there are two different kinds of memory: those imprinted in and those out of the altered state. Those imprinted outside are more difficult to force the psyche to obfuscate. Methods to hide them will include whatever the subject responds to most. A few examples (note, all should be practiced with the subject in an altered state of consciousness):
* "Muddying" the memory: literally adding ridiculous details to the memory in order to trick the 'core' to consider it a false memory or otherwise impossible to have experienced. (people didn't do that to me, it was those dragon-men-things).
* Increasing the 'pain' of the memory so that the mind represses it. This is achieved in myriad ways, the most common is revisiting the memory and creating an environment in which, the mind represses as a survival instinct.
Ultimately the goal is either to convince the brain that the memory is either inconsequential or dangerous. Anyone whose followed my posting know that I prefer anything that involves the survival instinct of the subject.
Obviously those memories imprinted while in an altered state are much easier to repress, sometimes as easily as directing the subject to 'not remember'. Of course the mind doesn't function exactly the same in altered states and so it may consider anything that happens within it to not only be low-priority, but false. Note, we rarely remember our dreams though we likely dream in every REM cycle. The mind is almost always willing to dismiss anything discerned in dreams.
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Post by josv2 on Mar 31, 2017 5:13:04 GMT
You ppl falling for Jos's bullshit? If he is wise, he will back off and stay away before the real deal comes at him. Jos' content is quite the value added to this site. I can see how he would be mocked if one worked for a competitive site. The "real deal" or not - good content is good content. Thank you Andrea. I believe I've gained a new fan.
I remind everyone that I'm selling nothing and a guest on this site. I wonder if our not-so-mysterious "T" can say the same?
I know lots of 'real deals' who have the grammar and communication skills of a drunken teenager on a texting binge.
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