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Post by Ladya on Oct 6, 2016 18:43:27 GMT
Thoughts on submitting to "Authority".
Some recent events on another forum, have brought (further more) to my attention the fact, that my "rebellious" issues with authority, naturally stem from both trust issues and a hypercritical mind.
I realize that I don't actually mind submitting to an Authority in certain areas (in other words someone who is more experienced in certain areas than I am, ergo more qualified to guide me).
What I do mind however, is being expected to submit to an authority who has not proven him/herself worthy yet (at least in my mind).
The fact that I, like many others, have experienced abuse at the hands of "authorities" will most often result in some measure of trust trauma pertaining to those who claim to be "Authorities". Add to that, the hypervigilance that also results and the hypercritical mind to boot, then you have a person who constantly sees every hypocrasy, every misalignment between what is said and what is done, every abuse of power, in others and in oneself.
So submitting can become quite angst provoking...
So my advice to myself would be:
"Due to your trauma, your hypermind is a kind of "reward" use it wisely, so you may watch as a serpent, yet view it peacefully so you may be as a dove. "
Workin ' on it...
Anyone else experience the same?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 19:13:07 GMT
Anyone claiming authority over others will become humbled by life itself, sooner or later, and its companion death at the very end.
Personally, anyone not being able to communicate on Augenhöhe / eye level sooner or later gets sorted out, so I don't bother much or long with humans who got lost in the illusion they are what they think.
Actions always speak louder than words, and patience helps greatly in letting people reveal themselves their face behind any masquerade they might put on first.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 19:16:47 GMT
Have you never let someone win in poker, just because you wanted that person to play again? What you are describing is similar I think.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Oct 6, 2016 19:21:10 GMT
I've always had a huge problem with authority, ever since I was a kid. I hated the idea that there were people who could tell me what I could or couldn't do like they somehow knew better then me, even though I am myself.
I don't think that feeling of distrust or rebelliousness has ever left me. I absolutely would say that I dislike and distrust authority figures. They have an affect on me which is uncanny, whether it's a doctor or the police. I try to contain that implicit reaction that I have, but it is embedded in my nature.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 19:45:33 GMT
Oh, and Hi! Lady A. I appreciated your input on that jaded thread and witnessed how you and many others were treated. Not fair, no surprise though either, but hey, here's a space to come as you are. The mothership, as I've read here and which I find highly fitting and amusing, deemed me more cult like productions than anything, when I started visiting that place in 2014 (first red flag: insider lingo en masse), so I didn't involve myself much and trolled a bit here and there, mostly. Sometimes it was and is too tempting to push obvious trigger. GMG then was the small pond I threw myself in for the sake of experience, and whoa it was an interesting time for the time it was up. Now I'm just glad that two people I perceived as authentic throughout - Caylus and Phi - kinda overcame their abuse by GLP in creating heir own forum, and many other I recognise and/or appreciate find their way to them ^_^ So I guess this place is some kind of group therapy as well, among many other aspects
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 19:51:01 GMT
I've always had a huge problem with authority, ever since I was a kid. I hated the idea that there were people who could tell me what I could or couldn't do like they somehow knew better then me, even though I am myself. I don't think that feeling of distrust or rebelliousness has ever left me. I absolutely would say that I dislike and distrust authority figures. They have an affect on me which is uncanny, whether it's a doctor or the police. I try to contain that implicit reaction that I have, but it is embedded in my nature. That's what I meant in my first post. Claimed authority confirmed itself as not beneficial. Then again there's an aura of authority that's rare but there. It's of someone who is actively responsible and mature in words and deeds. Less words, more deeds is their modus operandi, and thus proving themselves as trustworthy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 19:55:15 GMT
I've always had a huge problem with authority, ever since I was a kid. I hated the idea that there were people who could tell me what I could or couldn't do like they somehow knew better then me, even though I am myself. I don't think that feeling of distrust or rebelliousness has ever left me. I absolutely would say that I dislike and distrust authority figures. They have an affect on me which is uncanny, whether it's a doctor or the police. I try to contain that implicit reaction that I have, but it is embedded in my nature. That's what I meant in my first post. Claimed authority confirmed itself as not beneficial. Then again there's an aura of authority that's rare but there. It's of someone who is actively responsible and mature in words and deeds. Less words, more deeds is their modus operandi, and thus proving themselves as trustworthy. The aura is like they radiate a certain vibe, telling they actually gained authority over themselves, therefore the (ego) need of confirmation through (trying to) controlling everyone else but themselves ceased to exist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 20:03:14 GMT
Have you never let someone win in poker, just because you wanted that person to play again? What you are describing is similar I think.
I wouldn't play poker in the first place, because it's based on bluffing. As child I got very angry if someone did let me win, regardless the game. If you imply it's a game in the style of a loosely quoted phrase from China, then yeah, it's fun. "If you sit long enough at the river, you see float by the corpses of your enemies"
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Post by Caylus Ark on Oct 6, 2016 20:12:14 GMT
Oh, and Hi! Lady A. I appreciated your input on that jaded thread and witnessed how you and many others were treated. Not fair, no surprise though either, but hey, here's a space to come as you are. The mothership, as I've read here and which I find highly fitting and amusing, deemed me more cult like productions than anything, when I started visiting that place in 2014 (first red flag: insider lingo en masse), so I didn't involve myself much and trolled a bit here and there, mostly. Sometimes it was and is too tempting to push obvious trigger. GMG then was the small pond I threw myself in for the sake of experience, and whoa it was an interesting time for the time it was up. Now I'm just glad that two people I perceived as authentic throughout - Caylus and Phi - kinda overcame their abuse by GLP in creating heir own forum, and many other I recognise and/or appreciate find their way to them ^_^ So I guess this place is some kind of group therapy as well, among many other aspects Aww, I appreciate that Zen, and I'm honestly really glad you found your way to us here! I'm a member of Phi's forum as well, although I don't post very often there to tell you the truth - it's a lot of effort to keep a small forum going, I know his struggle. I may try to post there more to support him, I respect him a great deal. I sincerely had a lot of love for GLP and I learned so much from being there. Things change, but I also do think that there is some very intense energy over there and that even if you avoid it and keep to your own groups on GLP, the intensity of some of the hatefulness manages to infect some part of your subconscious. Maybe it's not fair to say. I don't know. I did make a thread about cults and how they work on GLP. It was deleted (luckily I saved the content though, it's on my blog if anyone wants to read it). It was November / December that I had begun really preferring the energy of GMG so I was sad when that place toppled. It was a sad day for a lot of GLP refugees IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 20:16:27 GMT
Have you never let someone win in poker, just because you wanted that person to play again? What you are describing is similar I think.
I wouldn't play poker in the first place, because it's based on bluffing. As child I got very angry if someone did let me win, regardless the game. If you imply it's a game in the style of a loosely quoted phrase from China, then yeah, it's fun. "If you sit long enough at the river, you see float by the corpses of your enemies" I am implying that sometimes you can lose a battle to win a war.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 20:31:45 GMT
Oh, and Hi! Lady A. I appreciated your input on that jaded thread and witnessed how you and many others were treated. Not fair, no surprise though either, but hey, here's a space to come as you are. The mothership, as I've read here and which I find highly fitting and amusing, deemed me more cult like productions than anything, when I started visiting that place in 2014 (first red flag: insider lingo en masse), so I didn't involve myself much and trolled a bit here and there, mostly. Sometimes it was and is too tempting to push obvious trigger. GMG then was the small pond I threw myself in for the sake of experience, and whoa it was an interesting time for the time it was up. Now I'm just glad that two people I perceived as authentic throughout - Caylus and Phi - kinda overcame their abuse by GLP in creating heir own forum, and many other I recognise and/or appreciate find their way to them ^_^ So I guess this place is some kind of group therapy as well, among many other aspects Aww, I appreciate that Zen, and I'm honestly really glad you found your way to us here! I'm a member of Phi's forum as well, although I don't post very often there to tell you the truth - it's a lot of effort to keep a small forum going, I know his struggle. I may try to post there more to support him, I respect him a great deal. I sincerely had a lot of love for GLP and I learned so much from being there. Things change, but I also do think that there is some very intense energy over there and that even if you avoid it and keep to your own groups on GLP, the intensity of some of the hatefulness manages to infect some part of your subconscious. Maybe it's not fair to say. I don't know. I did make a thread about cults and how they work on GLP. It was deleted (luckily I saved the content though, it's on my blog if anyone wants to read it). It was November / December that I had begun really preferring the energy of GMG so I was sad when that place toppled. It was a sad day for a lot of GLP refugees IMO. I understand your struggle, don't put yourself under stress. Yes to the infection, that share I got more during GMG. Sure, the closing was a shock, but like I said (please y'all, remind me if I start repeating myself over and over), I knew from the start it won't last forever, maybe a year. The impact was hard for many, as it got very intense sync wise before the end, exiting entanglements sort of, and I was frustrated because I didn't save posts when I had the impulse, and the next day it was gone. Some stuff survived in the wayback machine, but way more actually good stuff is gone or elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 20:35:19 GMT
I wouldn't play poker in the first place, because it's based on bluffing. As child I got very angry if someone did let me win, regardless the game. If you imply it's a game in the style of a loosely quoted phrase from China, then yeah, it's fun. "If you sit long enough at the river, you see float by the corpses of your enemies" I am implying that sometimes you can lose a battle to win a war.
Yup, thanks, got it. That is very Sun Tzu of you.
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Post by SS on Oct 6, 2016 20:36:24 GMT
Hyper vigilance. Hyper critical. Hyper leads to paranoia and over analyzed conclusions leading one to make false connections and conclusions. Hyper anything related to the psyche is a bad thing if it last more than just a very short amount of time. It makes you miss obvious things and focus on trivialities creating a false narrative in your mind that does not really exist. AKA insanity.
Just pointing out the danger of hyper mind states. No disrespect intended. Hyper does not equal better or more trustworthy. The opposite is true actually if you stay in that mindset long.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 20:39:12 GMT
I am implying that sometimes you can lose a battle to win a war.
Yup, thanks, got it. That is very Sun Tzu of you. I played a lot of poker. Extracting the most amount of change is what I played for. So having people return to the table is a higher priority then a few coins on any given Sunday. It really has nothing to do, with the Sun Tzu.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Oct 6, 2016 20:46:48 GMT
Aww, I appreciate that Zen, and I'm honestly really glad you found your way to us here! I'm a member of Phi's forum as well, although I don't post very often there to tell you the truth - it's a lot of effort to keep a small forum going, I know his struggle. I may try to post there more to support him, I respect him a great deal. I sincerely had a lot of love for GLP and I learned so much from being there. Things change, but I also do think that there is some very intense energy over there and that even if you avoid it and keep to your own groups on GLP, the intensity of some of the hatefulness manages to infect some part of your subconscious. Maybe it's not fair to say. I don't know. I did make a thread about cults and how they work on GLP. It was deleted (luckily I saved the content though, it's on my blog if anyone wants to read it). It was November / December that I had begun really preferring the energy of GMG so I was sad when that place toppled. It was a sad day for a lot of GLP refugees IMO. I understand your struggle, don't put yourself under stress. Yes to the infection, that share I got more during GMG. Sure, the closing was a shock, but like I said (please y'all, remind me if I start repeating myself over and over), I knew from the start it won't last forever, maybe a year. The impact was hard for many, as it got very intense sync wise before the end, exiting entanglements sort of, and I was frustrated because I didn't save posts when I had the impulse, and the next day it was gone. Some stuff survived in the wayback machine, but way more actually good stuff is gone or elsewhere. I think the loss of the content is one of the saddest things. You know I was absurdly lucky because one thing I posted there that I absolutely couldn't stand to lose I had the weird foresight to back up on word before posting it. I have a weird paranoia about losing things I write if I take a fair amount of time to write them and I've often been glad to have taken the time to do that.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Oct 6, 2016 20:47:45 GMT
Hyper vigilance. Hyper critical. Hyper leads to paranoia and over analyzed conclusions leading one to make false connections and conclusions. Hyper anything related to the psyche is a bad thing if it last more than just a very short amount of time. It makes you miss obvious things and focus on trivialities creating a false narrative in your mind that does not really exist. AKA insanity. Just pointing out the danger of hyper mind states. No disrespect intended. Hyper does not equal better or more trustworthy. The opposite is true actually if you stay in that mindset long. It can be a bad thing, or not, really it depends on the circumstances. It requires balance, that's the main thing. States of mind, hypo or hyper, require balance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 20:57:13 GMT
Yup, thanks, got it. That is very Sun Tzu of you. I played a lot of poker. Extracting the most amount of change is what I played for. So having people return to the table is a higher priority then a few coins on any given Sunday. It really has nothing to do, with the Sun Tzu.
That's efficient thinking and highly effective playing, including playing with people's underlying mechanisms unconscious for them, but obvious to you. i still would say it's very Sun Tzu, as in terms of thinking one step ahead, and using weak spots of others by means of whatever profit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 20:59:43 GMT
You sure a regular flouncer, Chrispy.
Oh yeah, the first time I was shocked about such thing could happen, I made a thread about it, grieving publicly xD
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Post by SS on Oct 6, 2016 21:24:08 GMT
Hyper vigilance. Hyper critical. Hyper leads to paranoia and over analyzed conclusions leading one to make false connections and conclusions. Hyper anything related to the psyche is a bad thing if it last more than just a very short amount of time. It makes you miss obvious things and focus on trivialities creating a false narrative in your mind that does not really exist. AKA insanity. Just pointing out the danger of hyper mind states. No disrespect intended. Hyper does not equal better or more trustworthy. The opposite is true actually if you stay in that mindset long. It can be a bad thing, or not, really it depends on the circumstances. It requires balance, that's the main thing. States of mind, hypo or hyper, require balance. If it is a prolonged hyper experience, especially if days, weeks, months o years it is not balanced. Rationalizing that away only leads one down the same path of misconception and false connections. Sometimes there is more important things than agreeing with someone who always agrees with you. Echo chambers distort truth. The idea that it depends on the circumstances does not hold true here. Prolonged hypersense distorts reality. It does not make it more clear. I only wanted to point that out though after reading the OP. There is no situation where prolonged and extreme hypersensitivity to a subject yields proper results. Hypersensitivity turns into hypertension very quickly and hypertension hurts us and our perceptions greatly. The second you slide into hypertension balance is lost and all insights are now skewed and false data. This is just psychology I am speaking of. The ABC's of the brain. Sorry if it hurt the narrative of whatever is being discussed here. It seems like a touchy sub subject is the underlying mechanism to all this I do not know about but I do not need to to know trusting input from a prolonged hyper viewpoint on a subject always leads to incorrect conclusions. Good day
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Post by Montblanc on Oct 6, 2016 22:30:50 GMT
It can be a bad thing, or not, really it depends on the circumstances. It requires balance, that's the main thing. States of mind, hypo or hyper, require balance. If it is a prolonged hyper experience, especially if days, weeks, months o years it is not balanced. Rationalizing that away only leads one down the same path of misconception and false connections. Sometimes there is more important things than agreeing with someone who always agrees with you. Echo chambers distort truth. The idea that it depends on the circumstances does not hold true here. Prolonged hypersense distorts reality. It does not make it more clear. I only wanted to point that out though after reading the OP. There is no situation where prolonged and extreme hypersensitivity to a subject yields proper results. Hypersensitivity turns into hypertension very quickly and hypertension hurts us and our perceptions greatly. The second you slide into hypertension balance is lost and all insights are now skewed and false data. This is just psychology I am speaking of. The ABC's of the brain. Sorry if it hurt the narrative of whatever is being discussed here. It seems like a touchy sub subject is the underlying mechanism to all this I do not know about but I do not need to to know trusting input from a prolonged hyper viewpoint on a subject always leads to incorrect conclusions. Good day Hey SS, are you Swinging on Spirals/Pattern Recognition from GLP?
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