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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 1:03:49 GMT
The word itself "God" truly is a dead word.
My compassion stands if it takes you many years, but I'm telling you to drop the idea of a god completely. There is none at all.
Also it's a dangerous word if one is aiming to advance in consciousness.
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Post by Source on Sept 16, 2018 4:07:09 GMT
The word itself "God" truly is a dead word. My compassion stands if it takes you many years, but I'm telling you to drop the idea of a god completely. There is none at all. Also it's a dangerous word if one is aiming to advance in consciousness. Respectfully, you are incorrect. There is a Creator. Though, I think not the Creator that you imagine ... and by creator I mean Creator...not religion. but - so you don't think there is creator...no big deal. Advance in consciousness? what do you mean? The idea of god ... is dangerous. Dangerous in what way?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 4:36:25 GMT
The word itself "God" truly is a dead word. My compassion stands if it takes you many years, but I'm telling you to drop the idea of a god completely. There is none at all. Also it's a dangerous word if one is aiming to advance in consciousness. Respectfully, you are incorrect. There is a Creator. Though, I think not the Creator that you imagine ... and by creator I mean Creator...not religion. but - so you don't think there is creator...no big deal. Advance in consciousness? what do you mean? The idea of god ... is dangerous. Dangerous in what way? Good reply, Yes I don't think there is a creator as you put it. By advance in consciousness I mean... The human intelligence. That's basically who I aim to help. 'God' is a dangerous word because it stunts growth - this work was already done but still we have many for some mysterious reason enslaved by these concepts. This is a blank space, it's probably due to programming. But let's move past that.
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Post by Corvus Dei on Sept 16, 2018 18:51:40 GMT
2 questions to anyone discussing 'God'. What do you precisely *mean* by the word 'God'? Second, if you do believe God exists, how do you know? (or in other words, how did you come to the knowledge that God according to how you understand it, actually exists)
Now the burden of proof lays with someone claiming the existence of something. It's not up to someone to prove that something does not exist.
One problem is inevitable speculation on matters which lay outside the horizon of what is objectively and intersubjectively knowable (so more than one person can verify, or maybe more importantly, falsify, the truth claim about the existence of something). We don't know (yet) how matter came to life, what sparked the existence of the observable universe or what came before that etc.), and cultures have been filled with cosmological tales to fill up these gaps that the wandering mind inevitable ponders on.
That also doesn't have to mean all the tales and speculations are false or not more or less closer to the truth. The other problem, also stemming from lack of knowledge, is to close the door shut on all metaphysical and cosmological speculation. How do you *know* all of these ideas are false?
Last remark. Aside from the truth value of these ideas, what about cultural/social, moral, emotional or other more psychological aspects of a subjective belief in God(s)? What about personal life experiences leading to someone to have a certain view of God(s), that is functional and helps them? Who am I to say that they shouldn't, if they have their own valid reasons..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 22:31:15 GMT
That's the difference between you and I; I know for sure that there isn't. Corvus Dei
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 23:25:06 GMT
- Endless cycles of everything. For what?
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Post by Corvus Dei on Sept 17, 2018 5:45:00 GMT
That's the difference between you and I; I know for sure that there isn't. Corvus Dei Can you elaborate a bit how you came to that conclusion?
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Post by lol on Sept 17, 2018 7:17:34 GMT
"For sure", lol
It's not like many of his conclusions can't be easily disseminated
No disrespect of course, just is what it is
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:04:27 GMT
Heh, imagine god sitting on his/her/it own uber computer interconnected thru to this realm and reading this thread.
God: "lolz rofl this thread is teh best!"
Jesus: "y da talk this way?"
God: "I guess we are attempting to mimic certain humanistic cultures way of spoken and written language. Besides, I'm sure we are already tired of using thou, thy, and other fancy words."
Jesus: "Ok imma roll my own homegrown grass... imma call it ckusty. It should stone teh hell out of you despite your omnipotent powers. Its special. Guaranteed."
God: "Look at us talking this way... mangled language. Sighs, mortals gonna wtf at us."
Jesus: "You're seemingly a bit worried, I thought..."
God: "Nah just wanted your reaction. Haha."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 18:26:49 GMT
Personally, the way I concluded it was brought on by much trial and error and experience. I would imagine that for anyone else, even with a very advanced level of creativity you would eventually conclude the same thing.
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Post by Corvus Dei on Sept 17, 2018 18:39:39 GMT
Personally, the way I concluded it was brought on by much trial and error and experience. I would imagine that for anyone else, even with a very advanced level of creativity you would eventually conclude the same thing. Fair enough. I don't know what these trial and errors consisted of for you. Maybe they were conclusive for you, and if so, that's reason enough for your standpoint. Personally, I've been through enough weirdness to know I don't understand the metaphysical much at all. It's not about creativity for me, but some things I have experienced, and also perhaps philosophy studies, that make me unsure enough to shut the door on the idea of metaphysical beings, powers, substrates or whatever. :S I would love to shut the door to have some peace of mind in a way, but I can't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 19:04:57 GMT
Personally, the way I concluded it was brought on by much trial and error and experience. I would imagine that for anyone else, even with a very advanced level of creativity you would eventually conclude the same thing. Fair enough. I don't know what these trial and errors consisted of for you. Maybe they were conclusive for you, and if so, that's reason enough for your standpoint. Personally, I've been through enough weirdness to know I don't understand the metaphysical much at all. It's not about creativity for me, but some things I have experienced, and also perhaps philosophy studies, that make me unsure enough to shut the door on the idea of metaphysical beings, powers, substrates or whatever. :S I would love to shut the door to have some peace of mind in a way, but I can't. Think of it this way, if I were to imagine a working theory from scrap (purely imaginal), I would say something like: our experience of the false self and 'personal life' (that is to say the life that we say belongs to us) are both illusory because we are gathering experience for some kind of Source and this Source wants to dive firsthand into many different lives to learn in the deepest possible way what it wants to learn. Just something like that can throttle someone to eventually work on themselves to the point where they refine and abandon concepts continually.
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Post by Corvus Dei on Sept 17, 2018 19:12:15 GMT
Think of it this way, if I were to imagine a working theory from scrap (purely imaginal), I would say something like: our experience of the false self and 'personal life' (that is to say the life that we say belongs to us) are both illusory because we are gathering experience for some kind of Source and this Source wants to dive firsthand into many different lives to learn in the deepest possible way what it wants to learn. Just something like that can throttle someone to eventually work on themselves to the point where they refine and abandon concepts continually. That idea or working theory is kinda in agreement with one spiritual experience that I had and message I got from it. So yeah, I would sooner accept this view of a Source, than a personal abrahamic deity or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 19:30:21 GMT
Ok, everything is bullshit and all in head. What is purpose of existence then?
Edit: Nevermind. Pointless to figure out. No know and it is same endless cycles of bullshit everywhere as impressed upon on me so far.
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Post by lol on Sept 17, 2018 19:50:34 GMT
God surely has a sense of humor and laughs endlessly at attempts to define (limit) it in human languages
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Post by Source on Sept 21, 2018 9:44:51 GMT
That's the difference between you and I; I know for sure that there isn't. Corvus Dei Strange - because the difference between you and me, Mark, is that what I know for sure is not very much at all. i
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 20:59:29 GMT
If there was God and he truly was good, wouldn't he give you the option of becoming your own God and guide you toward that and prepare you for the moment of death if you so chose this path?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 20:59:41 GMT
Mind opener
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