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Post by Caylus Ark on Nov 26, 2016 22:35:24 GMT
I want to know about Lucifer, and what differentiates him from Satan.
I've heard too many conflicting reports.
Similarly - "satanism" versus "luciferianism".
Many judeo-christians simply call anything satanism or luciferianism that isn't judeo-christain.
The way I have always pictured Lucifer is something like the image below - tall, white hair, fair skin, glowing eyes, with sort of an ethereal presence of an eerily beautiful angel but fallen and dangerous, more like a vampire in nature. I identify Lucifer as resonating with Venus.
On the other hand, I see Satan more as a Baal or Bahomet type of entity - 
The way I saw him in my dream wasn't as Bahomet, though. It was a little more classically judeo-christain - he was huge, towering, with horns, he was red, his eyes glowed bright yellow and he had black behind them and these insane glowing markings on his face. [EDIT: update: stumbled upon this image which depicts what I'm describing and what I saw in my dream:]
Very much a different presence from Lucifer! Also, Satan resonates with the Sphere of Saturn, not Venus.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Nov 26, 2016 22:46:03 GMT
giving a purely archetypal reading - Lucifer is misguided, Lucifer is a seducer, Lucifer is "The Nobody" meme - Lucifer will take over the world in an effort to save the world will destroy it somewhat. Lucifer has snake blood, Lucifer is part of the Annunaki bloodline, Lucifer is an EA descendant, the origin of the now-corrupt (see Bahomet picture) Brotherhood of the Snake. Lucifer is a Projection of Venus, and has an androgynous energy that makes the entity very attractive to either sex. Satan is a  , Satan is straightforward about his preoccupation with destruction and pain and lust. Satan controls the spheres of time and the material world, including its dominion. The powers of Satan are like other archetypes the powers of a lesser God. They only have influence or accordance among those who are controlled by material things. Anybody who reaches a higher plane can skirt Satan's influence by gaining mental/spiritual mastery. Some people channel satan without realizing it when they compulsively act out unconscious psychodrama from the shadow part of the personality. Rejected and uncomfortable parts of the inner life and inner world are reborn as painful experiences or encounters that force us to confront our own shortcomings. The universe is one writhing sentience with what you might call collective DID - we can only see ourselves in everything that is real, because it is us and we are it. "666 is the number of man" - well carbon has 6 neutrons, 6 protons and electrons - Carbon is the primary element in the creation of organic matter or life. 666 is us - of course. We embody what is good and what is evil, and only when the collective zeitgeist of human consciousness reaches a new threshold will the era of mankind change. When the veil or screen is removed from the eyes of the sage, they perceive the fundamental unity beyond the facade of reality. Others in the luminance of the sage are also elevated, merely by the gravity of the sage's presence. the "point" of satanic archetype is to create the ability for contrast to exist, from light to darkness or darkness to light. Without a spectrum, we are not capable of evaluating our actions in the context of a greater whole. Satan exists on the far left side of the spectrum so that we have something against which to measure- but this shouldn't fool us. Satan is not an evil entity outside of humankind's reach that operates or deviates among mankind for control - he is literally embedded in the DNA and consciousness of man as something which has the potential to manifest through man's actions and rejections of his own nature. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Nov 26, 2016 23:58:16 GMT
Let's step back for a moment. If Satan is the dark side of the scale, then on the same spectrum of measurement, we'd have to lucifer the light. Not because he represents the "good", but because he represents the radiant - ie, the shining ones. Venus is the morning star, lucifer is the light bringer. The illuminati is very much on this broadband network between venus and saturn energies. the illuminati itself, representing the joint ventures of mystery schools and the esoteric tradition as it has been passed down since time immemorial, could in itself be said to be a corrupted organization. "El"ites consider themselves, like ea/lucifer, the representatives of the gods. that is said to be the boon of their occult bloodlines. this is the path of venus around the earth:  venus is familiar to me, and I'm not surprised that lucifer has always been easier for me to visualize mentally than satan, as I feel I have natural affinity with the venus archetype. if you pay attention to the symbolism that tends to be used in some very popular media, there has been a 'trickle-down' collusion of the 'gods reborn on earth' trope storyline, (ie 'ET' katy perry, 'born this way' lady gaga). there is really no difference between the so called 'alien' life forms of higher sentience reborn on earth and the gods of egypt or greece. what is lucifer? lucifer is their 'crowned' leader, whom the illuminati eagerly await the arrival of, and to whom many of the occult rituals found in pop seem to be, if only subconsciously, evoking and giving energy to. |
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Post by ben on Nov 27, 2016 0:43:59 GMT
Just from wat I learned through my experience, that JC Lightbringer is simply beyond duality or infront of, for the sake of argument. Met "him" a couple of times and from what I understood, it had no motive. It just was. Helped me through some tough times in which I could have as well been in the looney bin. Why? Dunno. I'm not going against god as in the JC narrative. My own big guy has an affiliation to this "Lucifer". I think, assume, that whatever each of these are in their relation, is something out of my reach and certainly none of my business.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Nov 29, 2016 4:11:05 GMT
www.yahuahreigns.com/saturn%20and%20the%20occult.htmlDecember -> gate of death -> "lord of winter" -> house of capricorn - the goat - the stone  For about a year and a half I cannot see rams without feeling a huge trigger - the presence of "the cult" - I believe this sync presence is hyperdimensional. For example I often see the sigil on the car, the ford/dodge or whatever. But during periods of high sync I see it more. The rams just migrated back to los angeles (the football team). Los angeles, the city of lost angels, where I had a dream recently about meeting the literal devil, who had me sign a contract for admittance to UCLA - an institute of "higher learning" - could this have symbolized an occult education? Of course it makes me uncomfortable- I feel - I have been made something of a captive. When I see the ram's head sigil, I am reminded of that.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Nov 30, 2016 0:09:26 GMT
Interestingly, in my dream, I met Satan in his office.
I was reading the book of Enoch today, and I encountered a passage about Satan. In the footnotes, it said that more literally, the passage referred not to "the Satan", but various "Satans" - ie, impious angels. Interestingly, in hebrew, Satan is - "Ha-satan" ; "the adversary", and referred to the name of an Office (official capacity), rather then to a singular entity. Hmm.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Nov 30, 2016 1:14:23 GMT
In the Book of Enoch, I was surprised to find a description of a figure that is quite familiar to me. (Ch105)
2 She became pregnant by him, and brought forth a child, the flesh of which was white as snow , and red as a rose; the hair of whose head was white like wool, and long; and whose eyes were beautiful. When he opened then, he illuminated all the house, like the sun; the whole house abounded with light.
3 [...] I have begotten a son, unlike to other children. He is not human; but, resembling the offspring of the angels of heaven, is of a different nature from ours, being altogether unlike us.
4 His eyes are as bright as the rays of the sun; his countenance glorious, and he looks not as if he belonged to me, but to the angels.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Nov 30, 2016 17:06:01 GMT
(Something I felt compelled to write after my readings last night. I finished "The Gods of Eden" and "The Book of Enoch". I don't know what it means)
But in the black oak I wrote the anthem of our perception,
In the flickering starlight it was the blackness which eroded the shapes and forms of light
Under the auspices of a canopy did I stare into the pit of illusion
On the outside of the warbling myriad where the story of Earth is thrust out from the sea with fractal inequity and the rumblings of teutonic titans she emerges, he takes her hand from the foamy water
She becomes flesh
He becomes liquid
They are joined in creation
An artifice to the eternal song's vibrato
A new tenor is the sweet chick hatched from the virgin egg of miracles
The son of man is born like a bridge from the loins of a steed
Shameless unclothed and brighter then the daystar with a smile
Forever ago, until the end begun again
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Post by Therin on Dec 1, 2016 19:56:37 GMT
www.yahuahreigns.com/saturn%20and%20the%20occult.htmlDecember -> gate of death -> "lord of winter" -> house of capricorn - the goat - the stone For about a year and a half I cannot see rams without feeling a huge trigger - the presence of "the cult" - I believe this sync presence is hyperdimensional. For example I often see the sigil on the car, the ford/dodge or whatever. But during periods of high sync I see it more. The rams just migrated back to los angeles (the football team). Los angeles, the city of lost angels, where I had a dream recently about meeting the literal devil, who had me sign a contract for admittance to UCLA - an institute of "higher learning" - could this have symbolized an occult education? Of course it makes me uncomfortable- I feel - I have been made something of a captive. When I see the ram's head sigil, I am reminded of that. I'm with you on the ram thing. I really get a culty feeling about people that display it sometimes. Maybe it is just that HBO series True Detective. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Dec 2, 2016 0:40:49 GMT
I'm with you on the ram thing. I really get a culty feeling about people that display it sometimes. Maybe it is just that HBO series True Detective. That is my instant association when I see the symbol. I talked about this with rick a bit when we first started talking a little over a year ago. I called it "the cult", whatever that means. Whether it's true or just a feature of my imagination, I have no idea. I also haven't seen True Detective. Is there a cult featured by rams on there? If so, weird sync. I was reading the book of enoch as I think was obvious and I heard the "lord of sheep" referred to as the ram. I don't think it was supposed to denote someone wicked, but it said the ram gored the wolves and the predators to defend the sheep. |
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Post by Therin on Dec 2, 2016 14:35:46 GMT
I'm with you on the ram thing. I really get a culty feeling about people that display it sometimes. Maybe it is just that HBO series True Detective. That is my instant association when I see the symbol. I talked about this with rick a bit when we first started talking a little over a year ago. I called it "the cult", whatever that means. Whether it's true or just a feature of my imagination, I have no idea. I also haven't seen True Detective. Is there a cult featured by rams on there? If so, weird sync. I was reading the book of enoch as I think was obvious and I heard the "lord of sheep" referred to as the ram. I don't think it was supposed to denote someone wicked, but it said the ram gored the wolves and the predators to defend the sheep. Yeah. Check out the first season. The second season is eh. The first is good though. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Dec 3, 2016 17:58:33 GMT
Regarding Lucifer and the Greek Panetheon, Phoebus Apollo has some interesting parallels...
Apollo was served by the Oracles of Delphi, who reached altered states of consciousness by inhaling the fumes of the shrine under Parnassus. The Delphi, as noted above, are associated with the snake, and the serpent is associated with the Shining Ones. It is interesting that Apollo has been called "brilliant" or "shining", despite that he is not technically the God of the sun. Is it possible then, that the "shining" and "brilliance" referred to here may mean something else?
In most myths, the curious nature of the dragon or the serpent is that the one who vanquishes them absorbs their abilities and powers.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Dec 3, 2016 18:36:48 GMT
Apollo is depicted with a lyre, as a sort of poet or bard.
In our time, it is likely he'd be a musician, somebody enchanting with great charisma and beauty.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Dec 5, 2016 19:18:47 GMT
more interesting parallels regarding Apollo. Apollo is the Egyptian Horus. The "sun" or "son" of God? Is the Christian Jesus actually Lucifer?  |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Dec 9, 2016 19:05:52 GMT
Here is a description of the "Lucifer" archetype as a whole, the one I have been alluding to broadly. The following appears to conflate Satan and Lucifer as the same which I think is maybe misinformed, seeing as they feel, personally anyhow, like different archetypes. Also joined is Lucifer with the "goat-figure" or Bahomet called Pan. In the book of Enoch, the leader of the sheep is depicted as the ram. I wonder if this is meant to be an allegorical parallel. One interesting comparison to make is between Prometheus and Lucifer. Prometheus stole fire from the god of Olympus in order to bring it to mankind and further their development. Fire on its own has great power, and is often the trope used to separate man from the beast (re: The Jungle Book). But there is another deeper meaning here that can be interpreted through the lens of the "fallen angels" of heaven, insofar as what Prometheus was stealing - spiritual, or inner fire, the potential for mankind to become divine like the Gods. It is possible this was Lucifer's primary sin as leader of the fallen angels and rebel against heaven.  Then, if you take a look through "grail consciousness", the holy waters that are said to be a special bloodline, maybe this bloodline alludes to the children of Lucifer when he shared God's "spiritual fire" with the children of men. Hence the Illuminati's obsession with blood and preserving it. Personally, I do not abide by such a literal interpretation of these mysteries. But I believe they are worth examining and understanding, for the extent to which they have directed and changed human mythology and the actions of the "wisdom keepers" - the heads of various brotherhoods throughout the centuries. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Dec 9, 2016 19:42:59 GMT
Another entity Analogous with the Apollo/Lucifer archetype is the Aztec/South American Quetzalcoatl. Like the aforementioned described, he is compared to the shining serpent (feathered serpent), he is tall and fair and his name means "morning star". The legend of Quetzalcoatl is one of the reasons the arrival of the white man was mistaken for the return of the Aztec hero-god, Quetzalcoatl.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Dec 9, 2016 20:59:23 GMT
Humans have been described as "divine fallen fire, imprisoned in matter".
The symbol is realized in the lightning bolt, which is living flame. The chariot is surrounded by living flame, plasma or lightning.
"INRI" - Ignis Natura Renovatur Integra - the fire renews nature incessantly. This image is the wheel. The swastika, or sun-disk, comprises its imagery. It swirls both clockwise and counterclockwise, proceeding out of both the crown and its lowest counterpart in the kingdom of matter, conjoining in daath, the hidden upper centre of the invisible middle pillar.
The phoenix dies and is reborn eternally, in its ashes a worm can be found which will in time grow into a phoenix. What the fire burns grows back with greater strength. This is why in God's one hand there is creation and in his other is destruction. Water on the right and fire on the left. Together, new things grow and they contain folded within the germination of their breathe something new which is impossible to predict. It is that element of unpredictability which is truly divine because while the divine has created it, the divine has made it into a pattern which is always becoming new and so it can't be known before it is has unfolded.
As a child I was deathly afraid of all fire - I am not sure when I overcame this fear or where it came from. I was, also, (still am, I suppose) afraid of worms. Go figure.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Dec 9, 2016 21:38:17 GMT
So if we are to ask, what is with this fire and with Prometheus, why is it that "They" are so enamored with him? What was the symbolism of the gift which Lucifer/Prometheus brought man?
It pertains to psychic fire - ie, "illumination".
The name "lucifer" really means "one that shines", so it can be argued that it doesn't refer to a singular entity or archetype at all but rather a system of beings. angels? fallen? aliens? I don't know. it could even be simply the serpent archetype's form over the years. it has a life and a pattern of its own and it worth examining.
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Post by Therin on Jan 3, 2017 15:25:40 GMT
So if we are to ask, what is with this fire and with Prometheus, why is it that "They" are so enamored with him? What was the symbolism of the gift which Lucifer/Prometheus brought man? It pertains to psychic fire - ie, "illumination". The name "lucifer" really means "one that shines", so it can be argued that it doesn't refer to a singular entity or archetype at all but rather a system of beings. angels? fallen? aliens? I don't know. it could even be simply the serpent archetype's form over the years. it has a life and a pattern of its own and it worth examining. The true light in my view is the 'intent' that drives mankind. Sometimes it can be perceived as being carried within us. Almost like a friendly inorganic being that hangs out with you. The ball. The assemblage point. The eye through which awareness is showered upon our perception. |
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Post by kyberdyme on Jun 18, 2019 20:00:06 GMT
Its difficult not to be overwhelmed I tend to let things wash over n try not to let my feelings get involved if its not absolutely nessesary, because if I do my feelings can draw out such a malovent destructive power
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, Satan is straightforward about his preoccupation with destruction and pain and lust. Satan controls the spheres of time and the material world, including its dominion. The powers of Satan are like other archetypes the powers of a lesser God. They only have influence or accordance among those who are controlled by material things. Anybody who reaches a higher plane can skirt Satan's influence by gaining mental/spiritual mastery. Some people channel satan without realizing it when they compulsively act out unconscious psychodrama from the shadow part of the personality. Rejected and uncomfortable parts of the inner life and inner world are reborn as painful experiences or encounters that force us to confront our own shortcomings. 
