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Post by Montblanc on Aug 11, 2016 0:01:19 GMT
I am sure some of you have heard of the "black swan" effect. It is when the impossible happens. Or rather, something so exceedingly unlikely that it was not accounted for. It changes everything. The odds of it happening are so low that nobody prepared for it. And that is precisely why, when it does happen, it is so effective. I think that the entry of "superhumans" into our world would constitute a new stage in human evolution. I know that the odds of it happening are basically nil and it would be pointless to while our lives away awaiting such an event, but who really knows what is on the horizon? Anything is possible. And hope is free. You mean as new sub-species of humanity, like X-Men or Diclonius? |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 11, 2016 0:31:34 GMT
I am sure some of you have heard of the "black swan" effect. It is when the impossible happens. Or rather, something so exceedingly unlikely that it was not accounted for. It changes everything. The odds of it happening are so low that nobody prepared for it. And that is precisely why, when it does happen, it is so effective. I think that the entry of "superhumans" into our world would constitute a new stage in human evolution. I know that the odds of it happening are basically nil and it would be pointless to while our lives away awaiting such an event, but who really knows what is on the horizon? Anything is possible. And hope is free. You mean as new sub-species of humanity, like X-Men or Diclonius? I have always thought the 'X-men' conception of superhumans made a lot of sense. Then again though, I have not read all that many comic books. |
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 11, 2016 0:52:05 GMT
You mean as new sub-species of humanity, like X-Men or Diclonius? I have always thought the 'X-men' conception of superhumans made a lot of sense. Then again though, I have not read all that many comic books. Elfen Lied, Shinsekai Yori? You really got to see Strager Things though. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 11, 2016 1:04:23 GMT
I have always thought the 'X-men' conception of superhumans made a lot of sense. Then again though, I have not read all that many comic books. Elfen Lied, Shinsekai Yori? You really got to see Strager Things though. I remember elfen Lied being amazing. It's been a long time since I've seen it though so you may have to remind me. Shinsekai yori I've never heard of. For me, the most compelling possibility has always been the 'junk dna' being catalyzed by some sort of agent. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 11, 2016 1:16:17 GMT
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 11, 2016 2:05:55 GMT
Elfen Lied, Shinsekai Yori? You really got to see Strager Things though. I remember elfen Lied being amazing. It's been a long time since I've seen it though so you may have to remind me. Shinsekai yori I've never heard of. For me, the most compelling possibility has always been the 'junk dna' being catalyzed by some sort of agent. In Elfen Lied a sub-species of humanity rise from the pregnancy of normal human females, the Diclonius, who share all the same features as well as the female gender, the series focus on conflict between Diclonius and homo-sapiens with the former being considered unemphatic cold-blooded murderers, though it seems that the lack of love shown to Diclonius children, and fear of their unknown powers by their own "normal" family members is much of a driving force behind their hostile behaviour, as they feel betrayed by those who should love them they begin to expect rejection and outright terror at their mere presence. The anime only covers a small part of the story, in the manga another secret faction is shown to steer the conflict towards what they believe to be a new order of humanity bound to take-over through the right of might. The whole story is a drammatic exposure on humanity's challenges when it comes to dealing with collective fears, and the ethical dilemmas put forward when you have to choose between saving those you love or the whole of society, always in a "us" or "them" way. Shinsekai Yori is a story about how the appearance of humans with psychic powers in the first decades of the XXIst century, have lead to an inevitable conflict between old and new humanity. It's a story with major drammatic plot points as well, but a greater focus on human rights and ethics. This one can be fully enjoyed in it's 20 episode anime version, having it's own manga as well. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 12, 2016 19:05:14 GMT
I remember elfen Lied being amazing. It's been a long time since I've seen it though so you may have to remind me. Shinsekai yori I've never heard of. For me, the most compelling possibility has always been the 'junk dna' being catalyzed by some sort of agent. In Elfen Lied a sub-species of humanity rise from the pregnancy of normal human females, the Diclonius, who share all the same features as well as the female gender, the series focus on conflict between Diclonius and homo-sapiens with the former being considered unemphatic cold-blooded murderers, though it seems that the lack of love shown to Diclonius children, and fear of their unknown powers by their own "normal" family members is much of a driving force behind their hostile behaviour, as they feel betrayed by those who should love them they begin to expect rejection and outright terror at their mere presence. The anime only covers a small part of the story, in the manga another secret faction is shown to steer the conflict towards what they believe to be a new order of humanity bound to take-over through the right of might. The whole story is a drammatic exposure on humanity's challenges when it comes to dealing with collective fears, and the ethical dilemmas put forward when you have to choose between saving those you love or the whole of society, always in a "us" or "them" way. Shinsekai Yori is a story about how the appearance of humans with psychic powers in the first decades of the XXIst century, have lead to an inevitable conflict between old and new humanity. It's a story with major drammatic plot points as well, but a greater focus on human rights and ethics. This one can be fully enjoyed in it's 20 episode anime version, having it's own manga as well. Yes that sounds right. It is the archetypal story; I have heard it a number of times in a number of ways. As humanity goes through different cycles of time, we tell certain stories more than others in more detailed ways. The story of how humanity transformed, is one of the "biggies". And you see it in many forms and many cultures. Another inevitable offshoot of that story trope is the war that results from it, that is from the distinction between the superhumans and the normal humans, when the former inevitably comes out of the closet. Either the normal humans want the superhumans corralled, normalized, or hunted down and destroyed; I figure something like this would probably be realistic if the situation ever occurred in our world. The problem with average superhuman theory is a problem with the theory of evolution itself. That is the theory of evolution is incomplete. It posits that mutations in genes cause new developments in the progression of species, but there are almost no examples of positive genetic mutations, that's something everybody learns in a basic biology class. Almost every possible mutation results in something dire going amiss within a person. You can argue by random fluke some exceptions exist, for example those weirdos who can drink milk. But when you think about it, that's not a major physical change like developing an extra bone to host some kind of dog tail for example. First of all, how exceptionally rare such a dramatic physical mutation must be and second of all, how extremely rare it did not result in some kind of fatality or at least severe deformity or some other kind of negative repercussion as almost all mutations do. For mutations to tend towards something that progresses a species I argue that we are missing a developmental keystone to complete the theory, and my argument is that keystone is related to the field that Sheldrake talks about. Why? Well, did you know DNA is a hologram. It can be obliterated and the entire form of the DNA crystals will still appear holographically via photons. Embedded in the field.  |
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 12, 2016 19:29:54 GMT
In Elfen Lied a sub-species of humanity rise from the pregnancy of normal human females, the Diclonius, who share all the same features as well as the female gender, the series focus on conflict between Diclonius and homo-sapiens with the former being considered unemphatic cold-blooded murderers, though it seems that the lack of love shown to Diclonius children, and fear of their unknown powers by their own "normal" family members is much of a driving force behind their hostile behaviour, as they feel betrayed by those who should love them they begin to expect rejection and outright terror at their mere presence. The anime only covers a small part of the story, in the manga another secret faction is shown to steer the conflict towards what they believe to be a new order of humanity bound to take-over through the right of might. The whole story is a drammatic exposure on humanity's challenges when it comes to dealing with collective fears, and the ethical dilemmas put forward when you have to choose between saving those you love or the whole of society, always in a "us" or "them" way. Shinsekai Yori is a story about how the appearance of humans with psychic powers in the first decades of the XXIst century, have lead to an inevitable conflict between old and new humanity. It's a story with major drammatic plot points as well, but a greater focus on human rights and ethics. This one can be fully enjoyed in it's 20 episode anime version, having it's own manga as well. Yes that sounds right. It is the archetypal story; I have heard it a number of times in a number of ways. As humanity goes through different cycles of time, we tell certain stories more than others in more detailed ways. The story of how humanity transformed, is one of the "biggies". And you see it in many forms and many cultures. Another inevitable offshoot of that story trope is the war that results from it, that is from the distinction between the superhumans and the normal humans, when the former inevitably comes out of the closet. Either the normal humans want the superhumans corralled, normalized, or hunted down and destroyed; I figure something like this would probably be realistic if the situation ever occurred in our world. The problem with average superhuman theory is a problem with the theory of evolution itself. That is the theory of evolution is incomplete. It posits that mutations in genes cause new developments in the progression of species, but there are almost no examples of positive genetic mutations, that's something everybody learns in a basic biology class. Almost every possible mutation results in something dire going amiss within a person. You can argue by random fluke some exceptions exist, for example those weirdos who can drink milk. But when you think about it, that's not a major physical change like developing an extra bone to host some kind of dog tail for example. First of all, how exceptionally rare such a dramatic physical mutation must be and second of all, how extremely rare it did not result in some kind of fatality or at least severe deformity or some other kind of negative repercussion as almost all mutations do. For mutations to tend towards something that progresses a species I argue that we are missing a developmental keystone to complete the theory, and my argument is that keystone is related to the field that Sheldrake talks about. Why? Well, did you know DNA is a hologram. It can be obliterated and the entire form of the DNA crystals will still appear holographically via photons. Embedded in the field. You must pay the price of an upgrade, you know pros vs cons, watch Stranger Things, you'll see a good parallel of a price that must be paid for having a new ability. Anyway I'm not a biology buff, but I think Sheldrake was on to something, and I've already demonstrated in Jos' thread how unreliable debunkers are when it comes to taboo approaches. To put it simply, science is limited by it's empiricist approach, by it's denial of the quantum that links the metaphysical with the physical. All that exists in any point of time-space has a mathematical base, how can we take any science seriously when it's guided by XIXth century philosophies, and all the groundbreaking discoveries are coming from XXth century, and onwards models? |
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 12, 2016 19:39:03 GMT
Also, I would add that while in both Elfen Lied and Shinsekai Yori, the old humanity fears and tries to annihalate the new humanity, in the latter the new humans obviously win the war, their misunderstood powers proving superior to old humanity's artificial based technology. Maybe we did the same to neanderthals, denisovans and other cousins, in expansionist wars where we had the advantage of complex, more developed communications. I imagine some females where spared on the losing side because in our species societies there aren't always available sexual partners for all males, due to various social factors, but in a scenario of conquest, those less appreciated members of society get a piece for their own needs.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 12, 2016 19:42:49 GMT
You must pay the price of an upgrade, you know pros vs cons, watch Stranger Things, you'll see a good parallel of a price that must be paid for having a new ability. Anyway I'm not a biology buff, but I think Sheldrake was on to something, and I've already demonstrated in Jos' thread how unreliable debunkers are when it comes to taboo approaches. To put it simply, science is limited by it's empiricist approach, by it's denial of the quantum that links the metaphysical with the physical. All that exists in any point of time-space has a mathematical base, how can we take any science seriously when it's guided by XIXth century philosophies, and all the groundbreaking discoveries are coming from XXth century, and onwards models? The "pay the price for power" trope. TV Tropes - Power At A PriceI do recommend reading some of Sheldrakes work. I will be inevitably starting a thread on it in the other board sooner or later where we can really get into the nitty gritty. The problem that science is having is the problem science has time and time again when it comes to breakthroughs that are bogged down by the insular and inevitably dogmatic nature of the academic scientific community. Make no mistake however, that veiled intelligence and breakthroughs in the military domain are many decades more advanced then those of the academic science community. What you think is accepted science is only so among the masses; I have heard this straight from the mouth of an insider. For science, public science, to reach these stages it requires amateurs thinking outside the box; often they are not so bogged down by the conditioning that academia forces on them that they are capable of making incredible intuitive leaps and inevitably because they made the correct observations they come to proofs that - while at first rejected by scientists, are eventually proven to have merit. That's why we must continue chasing the truth in an objective and determined way, without losing our ability to falsify our mistaken theories when we see they are not valid. Also that requires learning as much as we can. |
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 12, 2016 20:22:57 GMT
You must pay the price of an upgrade, you know pros vs cons, watch Stranger Things, you'll see a good parallel of a price that must be paid for having a new ability. Anyway I'm not a biology buff, but I think Sheldrake was on to something, and I've already demonstrated in Jos' thread how unreliable debunkers are when it comes to taboo approaches. To put it simply, science is limited by it's empiricist approach, by it's denial of the quantum that links the metaphysical with the physical. All that exists in any point of time-space has a mathematical base, how can we take any science seriously when it's guided by XIXth century philosophies, and all the groundbreaking discoveries are coming from XXth century, and onwards models? The "pay the price for power" trope. TV Tropes - Power At A PriceI do recommend reading some of Sheldrakes work. I will be inevitably starting a thread on it in the other board sooner or later where we can really get into the nitty gritty. The problem that science is having is the problem science has time and time again when it comes to breakthroughs that are bogged down by the insular and inevitably dogmatic nature of the academic scientific community. Make no mistake however, that veiled intelligence and breakthroughs in the military domain are many decades more advanced then those of the academic science community. What you think is accepted science is only so among the masses; I have heard this straight from the mouth of an insider. For science, public science, to reach these stages it requires amateurs thinking outside the box; often they are not so bogged down by the conditioning that academia forces on them that they are capable of making incredible intuitive leaps and inevitably because they made the correct observations they come to proofs that - while at first rejected by scientists, are eventually proven to have merit. That's why we must continue chasing the truth in an objective and determined way, without losing our ability to falsify our mistaken theories when we see they are not valid. Also that requires learning as much as we can. That's what baffles me the most in those MKultra reports, are/were all those debunkers drunk from the attention they get from disproving the unprovable/disprovable, perhaps they didn't know that people were seriously investing resources, not merely on proving, for that they already had, but in finding applications for it. The most ironic thing is that those debunkers themselves often believed personally in metaphysical concepts which were perfectly aligned with their subjects of debunking, and that their empirical scientific approach was the only barrier between themselves and truth. Fooled by their own ego, betrayed by their own narrow mind, it would be comic if only it wasn't so tragic. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 12, 2016 20:28:41 GMT
The "pay the price for power" trope. TV Tropes - Power At A PriceI do recommend reading some of Sheldrakes work. I will be inevitably starting a thread on it in the other board sooner or later where we can really get into the nitty gritty. The problem that science is having is the problem science has time and time again when it comes to breakthroughs that are bogged down by the insular and inevitably dogmatic nature of the academic scientific community. Make no mistake however, that veiled intelligence and breakthroughs in the military domain are many decades more advanced then those of the academic science community. What you think is accepted science is only so among the masses; I have heard this straight from the mouth of an insider. For science, public science, to reach these stages it requires amateurs thinking outside the box; often they are not so bogged down by the conditioning that academia forces on them that they are capable of making incredible intuitive leaps and inevitably because they made the correct observations they come to proofs that - while at first rejected by scientists, are eventually proven to have merit. That's why we must continue chasing the truth in an objective and determined way, without losing our ability to falsify our mistaken theories when we see they are not valid. Also that requires learning as much as we can. That's what baffles me the most in those MKultra reports, are/were all those debunkers drunk from the attention they get from disproving the unprovable/disprovable, perhaps they didn't know that people were seriously investing resources, not merely on proving, for that they already had, but in finding applications for it. The most ironic thing is that those debunkers themselves often believed personally in metaphysical concepts which were perfectly aligned with their subjects of debunking, and that their empirical scientific approach was the only barrier between themselves and truth. Fooled by their own ego, betrayed by their own narrow mind, it would be comic if only it wasn't so tragic. Take a look at the DIA controlled offensive behavior report I posted too, it was ALL about this stuff, and how the soviets were researching it successfully and using it. It's fascinating. |
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 12, 2016 20:29:15 GMT
I believe that's why we started researching it, to try and compete with them. The public thinks all those experiments were failures, but the truth is classified.
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 12, 2016 20:35:28 GMT
Yeah I did take a look at your DIA thread, apparently they and the CIA were kind of competing with each other over this, with much distrust from one to another.
As for the soviets, all I know is that they supposedly took their research towards different avenues, the C&C Red Alert game series are an intelligent parable of this forked research paths over a common goal.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 13, 2016 23:59:05 GMT
dedicate this to all here 
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