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Post by v on Aug 8, 2016 15:11:54 GMT
I would say this relates to a realization of the mistakes we have made while not being crushed by that very realization and allowing ourselves to transform it into positive forward growth. This means doing what it takes to keep our dreams alive. Yet it also means that our dreams need be of a size we can take on, so we aren't smothered in our own clouds of nitrous oxide. So to speak. Some of us have fallen quite far. It'll be a struggle to get back up, no-one doubts that, I think.
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Post by v on Aug 8, 2016 15:15:03 GMT
The fallen were consigned to judgement, and barred from paradise. But if the fallen can be redeemed, then anybody could be redeemed. I suppose one could even say that in order for consciousness to be whole, the shadow side of our nature needs to be forgiven. transformed Now is better. We couldn't ever have done better than the mistakes we have made, until now.
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Post by Quick Reply on Aug 8, 2016 15:46:48 GMT
We couldn't ever have done better than the mistakes we have made, until now. Why is now different?
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Post by v on Aug 8, 2016 16:07:48 GMT
We couldn't ever have done better than the mistakes we have made, until now. Why is now different? Because it is the sum of all we have learned.
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Post by Quick Reply on Aug 8, 2016 16:17:16 GMT
Because it is the sum of all we have learned. well, 100 years ago it was the same... They had sum from of all they have learned and they luck everything that will be learned in the future. 100 years from now, people will look upon us in the same manner we look on people who lived 100 years before us. 100 years from now people will look on our mistakes and think that we are fools and that they now have all the knowledge as supreme generation in history. The same pattern repeats all over again through history. We will do the same mistake.
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Post by v on Aug 8, 2016 16:20:13 GMT
Because it is the sum of all we have learned. well, 100 years ago it was the same... They had sum from of all they have learned and they luck everything that will be learned in the future. 100 years from now, people will look upon us in the same manner we look on people who lived 100 years before us. 100 years from now people will look on our mistakes and think that we are fools and that they now have all the knowledge as supreme generation in history. The same pattern repeats all over again through history. We will do the same mistake. Myth of progress, yah? I could chew on that. So what's the progenitor to real progress, do you think?
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Post by Quick Reply on Aug 8, 2016 16:37:31 GMT
well, 100 years ago it was the same... They had sum from of all they have learned and they luck everything that will be learned in the future. 100 years from now, people will look upon us in the same manner we look on people who lived 100 years before us. 100 years from now people will look on our mistakes and think that we are fools and that they now have all the knowledge as supreme generation in history. The same pattern repeats all over again through history. We will do the same mistake. Myth of progress, yah? I could chew on that. So what's the progenitor to real progress, do you think? I don't know, I am not in occult circles. Maybe some ultimate knowledge really exist, but I doubt. I have met some people with much more occult knowledge than me who are acting like imbeciles. There is no goal worth enough to become like that, because not even Machiavelli believed in "the end justifies the means" nonsense. I thing that progenitors of real progress are empathy and unselfishness as a result of empathy and charisma as a tool. What do you think?
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Post by v on Aug 8, 2016 16:48:50 GMT
Myth of progress, yah? I could chew on that. So what's the progenitor to real progress, do you think? I don't know, I am not in occult circles. Maybe some ultimate knowledge really exist, but I doubt. I have met some people with much more occult knowledge than me who are acting like imbeciles. There is no goal worth enough to become like that, because not even Machiavelli believed in "the end justifies the means" nonsense. I thing that progenitors of real progress are empathy and unselfishness as a result of empathy and charisma as a tool. What do you think? Well I'd have to sour it a tad, since I'm not much in the way of charisma. In fact I've felt kinda trapped by this, my whole life. I'm a bit better in regards to empathy, yet I often find myself more concerned with fixing my own perception of mistakes that I have made that harm other people, so as keep my 'meek' self image of myself. But ya in general, that idea sounds pretty good to me, I think you got it bang on.
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 9, 2016 3:17:06 GMT
If you want followers you have to sell a message that YOUR TRUTH is Better than the Next Guy.. AND is producing results for the people shelling out $29.99 to buy your book Who wants followers? Who wants people to pay for their ideas? You project a lot. I want to empower people to find truth for themselves. And yes, I'm already working on that in the "real world". Still you can't deny that receiving money for doing something you enjoy is much better than having to betray your values for a paycheck, and it doesn't prevent or even conflict with your "pro bono" work.
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 9, 2016 3:23:06 GMT
The fallen were consigned to judgement, and barred from paradise. But if the fallen can be redeemed, then anybody could be redeemed. I suppose one could even say that in order for consciousness to be whole, the shadow side of our nature needs to be forgiven. transformedNow is better. It is transformed once you acknowledge yours as part of yourself.
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Post by Montblanc on Aug 9, 2016 3:26:23 GMT
well, 100 years ago it was the same... They had sum from of all they have learned and they luck everything that will be learned in the future. 100 years from now, people will look upon us in the same manner we look on people who lived 100 years before us. 100 years from now people will look on our mistakes and think that we are fools and that they now have all the knowledge as supreme generation in history. The same pattern repeats all over again through history. We will do the same mistake. Myth of progress, yah? I could chew on that. So what's the progenitor to real progress, do you think? To actually follow history's lessons instead of arrogantly believe you already know it all. Humans learn from two types of mistake, theirs and those of others.
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Post by Quick Reply on Aug 9, 2016 6:30:44 GMT
It is transformed once you acknowledge yours as part of yourself. There is a big difference between passive forgiveness and active will to transform something.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 9, 2016 6:34:53 GMT
It is transformed once you acknowledge yours as part of yourself. There is a big difference between passive forgiveness and active will to transform something. Yes...the latter is much more volatile...
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Post by Quick Reply on Aug 9, 2016 6:55:19 GMT
There is a big difference between passive forgiveness and active will to transform something. Yes...the latter is much more volatile... and the former is much more useless...
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 9, 2016 7:00:30 GMT
Yes...the latter is much more volatile... and the former is much more useless... You sound like a fanatic
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Post by Quick Reply on Aug 9, 2016 7:04:46 GMT
and the former is much more useless... You sound like a fanatic will to transform shadow side of yourself is fanaticism? lol well, some things now become logical.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 9, 2016 7:06:57 GMT
will to transform shadow side of yourself is fanaticism? lol well, some things now become logical. Might I ask who you are, how I know you, if at all. I don't think people can be free of their shadow. You learn to coexist with it by learning that flaws are an inevitable part of being human.
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Post by Quick Reply on Aug 9, 2016 7:21:18 GMT
will to transform shadow side of yourself is fanaticism? lol well, some things now become logical. Might I ask who you are, how I know you, if at all. I don't think people can be free of their shadow. You learn to coexist with it by learning that flaws are an inevitable part of being human. So do you think that a serial killer should just forgive himself or he should try to forgive and to change something?
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Post by Caylus Ark on Aug 9, 2016 7:30:46 GMT
Might I ask who you are, how I know you, if at all. I don't think people can be free of their shadow. You learn to coexist with it by learning that flaws are an inevitable part of being human. So do you think that a serial killer should just forgive himself or he should try to forgive and to change something? If somebody is a serial killer they have a MAJOR problem that some soul searching alone is not going to fix
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Post by Quick Reply on Aug 9, 2016 7:38:56 GMT
So do you think that a serial killer should just forgive himself or he should try to forgive and to change something? If somebody is a serial killer they have a MAJOR problem that some soul searching alone is not going to fix Ok, then not serial killer... Should anyone who is hurting someone in some way should just forgive him/herself of he/she should try to change that and transform him/herself to a better person as soon as possible to avoid the pain of people involved?
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