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Post by Jos on Jul 21, 2016 3:07:41 GMT
I agree but even more so just prior to this. You've made remarkable progress since then I think. Pity certain foolish people sought to hide your wound rather than let you discuss and perhaps begin heal it. There are two philosophies at play here:
Hide it away in a bubble - never to heal but never to greater harm
Expose the wound - risk further harm but potentially heal
I'm glad you chose the latter. Those who'd prescribe to the former mean well but only cause greater hurt. The road to hell...
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Post by Jos on Jul 21, 2016 3:09:06 GMT
You shouldn't be embarrassed about things like that, Caylus. Often times our mistakes or misunderstandings lead to breakthroughs that wouldn't have been possible otherwise. Plus isolating ones acts lends unwarranted importance to the self. Solid worldview. Sagely, this.
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Post by Jos on Jul 21, 2016 3:10:29 GMT
You shouldn't be embarrassed about things like that, Caylus. Often times our mistakes or misunderstandings lead to breakthroughs that wouldn't have been possible otherwise. Plus isolating ones acts lends unwarranted importance to the self. It's kind of a long story... I wish it was that straightforward. It is. You're convoluting it.
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Post by Jos on Jul 21, 2016 3:14:37 GMT
Now this is an exceptional question. Some would explain that alters are dissociation but you know otherwise. Dissociation leads to alters as the BIOS screen of a computer leads to alternative hard disks if I may be analogous. I believe that the 'core', the sub-conscious 'watcher' in each of us has a sort of survival instinct/Faisafe that will lead to the creation of alters so that the full 'human' may function once again. In our case, these are guided alters but for the self-realized I believe that each is based on a facet of the core, an amplification of that single facet with a 'being' wrapped around it.
Wow!!! This is an incredible insight - great question and great response! And of course I'd pick up on it since you are dancing around the woo again, Jos ;-) From what you describe, it seems the psyche is self-healing too. Just as the body heals to keep the human going, so must the mind heal to keep the human going - even if it means creating a new personality that is functional under the new circumstances. The loop of obsession is also interesting. I can see how one would definitely obsess over an emotional trauma, reliving it over and over wanting to understand "why." Even if physical trauma is used, I'd bet it's the emotional aspect of the physical trauma that is more powerful in impacting the psyche - at least this is how I would feel. Jos, is there a great difference in how a female is shattered versus a male? Does one sex react better or worse versus the other to different types of approaches - trauma-based or otherwise? Once again Andrea, you've demonstrated an exceptional grasp on the concepts. As for the answer to your male/female question, the short answer is no, there's no difference. Men may respond slightly more to humiliation as they are usually more inclined to ego and the concept of invulnerability.
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Post by Jos on Jul 21, 2016 3:17:26 GMT
Hey there, Kayli - or do you prefer I address you as Caylus? Whatever you prefer - I will do. :-) Anyhoo - I read all of those early posts, many of which were by you, before I made my first post on the GLP thread. Very interesting. It reminded me of a short book I read by Inelia Benz called "Interview with a Psychic Assassin." In this book (which she claims is fictional but with a wink), she interviews a woman with psychic abilities who was trained by the shadow government to search out threatening targets and eliminate them using said abilities (she causes some to have brain aneurysms). Here is an excerpt that struck me. This is the assassin describing how individuals are targeted and why: "We have technology, a method to join several individuals, through a bio mechanical computer, that creates a form of Artificially Intelligent monitoring system that can tap into the mind of every person alive. The machine is programmed to identify blips that can break the current system. Blips that can shift our society into a different timeline. Blips that change how we perceive ourselves and the way in which we accept what is real and what is not. It works like a Geiger Counter that can detect different types of radiation. Once the blip is detected, it can quickly be located. Most blips are tiny. Maybe a conversation, someone reading a book that triggers a memory or an alternative timeline, or has a new thought. Those blips are easily erased by the machine. You would recognize them as suddenly not remembering what you just read, the past paragraph or page, or not remembering what you were thinking about or talking about. Sometimes a person forgets the topic completely and repeats the conversation all over again, only to forget it again. Sometimes it’s like a feeling that you don’t want to follow that thought anymore, or read what you are reading any more, or you stop watching something, or stop talking about something because you are afraid that it will never go away. Like it will pollute you. Or it’s dangerous. So you stop. If the machine can’t remove the blip, one of us is sent in to deal with it." How does one emote an exasperated sigh?
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Post by Jos on Jul 21, 2016 3:28:49 GMT
How often are therapists actually handlers? Is there any way to find certain flags that a practitioner may be a handler? If one was seeking to find a trustworthy psychotherapist, what qualities should they look for? You say, unguided treatment of bleeding cases such as the one you mentioned with the football player is a significantly different process than seeking guided treatment with a trusted practitioner. However, going about finding somebody who could be trusted to help seems like it would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. And, I am assuming, would cost a pretty penny. In Hollywood/LA seek those who are NOT expensive but avoid the SF Valley as it is often a fallout point for failed a-listers (porn industry). Also avoid the 'Old Hollywood' areas unless the therapist is both in a new practice and young. Avoid trendy areas.
The best results will be at University among researchers.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 21, 2016 3:30:15 GMT
How does one emote an exasperated sigh? Does the psychic warfare view irritate your woo meter?
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 21, 2016 3:34:29 GMT
I agree but even more so just prior to this. You've made remarkable progress since then I think. Pity certain foolish people sought to hide your wound rather than let you discuss and perhaps begin heal it. There are two philosophies at play here:
Hide it away in a bubble - never to heal but never to greater harm
Expose the wound - risk further harm but potentially heal
I'm glad you chose the latter. Those who'd prescribe to the former mean well but only cause greater hurt. The road to hell...
You mentioned there that "tattling was expected".... What did you mean by that? There are some things I know I have told you - fragments here and there - but there is also a lot that I have not written in any public format/online. I would be curious to hear what you thought of the whole story, in its entirety (and I wouldn't post it on this thread, it'd be its own thread or something) but I have been very, very hesistant to share it all publicly. So when you mentioned - back in one of those links, that I shouldn't be afraid to tattle, that it would be expected for me to do so, and to tell my story if I so wish - do you still think that is true? Would you be interested in reading it all or do you think you know enough? Do you think it would be unwise for me to share? Is it something you would be curious to hear about privately, if there was a format for that discussion to occur? Should I try and forget the whole thing and just move on, even though I find that nearly impossible to do? I know it probably goes somewhat against your style - but if you do ever decide to go out on a limb and make an account here, it might be helpful - just for a pm function. honestly you wouldn't be giving me any additional information I can't already see (your IP address, I know you use a proxy anyhow though). But don't give it a second thought if it would worry you to do so. It's kind of a long story... I wish it was that straightforward. It is. You're convoluting it. In my recollection, and emotionally, things are awfully convoluted to me. How is it - it what sense are things straightforward? I have never been so torn up or confused in my whole life. So split between self-blame/hatred and undeniable certainly of something awry. My life was thrown completely off track....you could almost say irreparablely damaged. The depression is not nearly as bad as it was a couple months ago (having a daily routine, a job - although crappy - and good friends - has really really helped pull me out of a huge hole - I was unfathomably despondent for several months after returning from out of the country) but sometimes it's hard not to feel bouts of dramatic and frustrated, even when I'm trying to enjoy simple things. I apologize - for talking about myself here. It's not really about me (well - beyond the simple sense that to oneself, things are unavoidably centered on our own experiences...) I'm trying to remain conceptual with our talks here.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 21, 2016 5:00:55 GMT
Jos, you mentioned that your main client generally doesn't see you unless there is a reason to - I remember one particular comment, that you could cause her to breakdown because you made a face at nasty coffee lol. You are results orientated, you mention. You also described that the initial shattering process can take place with ample one on one time at a facility dedicated for such endeavors. During this time, did you mention that immersive roleplaying occurred? What other kinds of routines would somebody confined to one of these facilities - in the entertainment ministry's jurisdiction - would a budding celeb expect to encounter? Is trauma mixed with love bombardment? Are there sort of 'propaganda' pep talks undergone, a conditioning that leads the celeb to understand why they have been chosen above others and how they should feel special and blessed? Can you sort of describe what this process is like, and the emotional transformation that is expected to take place and which you as a programmer are responsible for guiding and directing? Other than relying less upon drugs and some of the more 'brute force' approaches of older iterations of MK Ultra, what are some of the primary differences between you and your colleagues in the "cerebral" aspects of your approach? I know that you mentioned you have a greater focus on 'long-term' results and outcome - and that is one of the reasons you do not rely upon drug use. But you mention you certainly use betrayal and violation of trust as a predominant method of changing the client's emotional 'base'. Can you describe, potentially, some of the programming goals you have for those initial stages and how you use your knowledge of the mind to engender sought-after outcomes? Personality testing, stuff of that nature - how could you use traits like that in order to better understand how a particular client is best dealt with? I am assuming you are familiar with stuff like the "myers briggs" typology (the jungian one) personality test.... E.G, say you have an ESFP - could you use information like that in order to refine your approach and if so, how? Or is there a better personality test of some kind you might use? Maybe a special handler personality test you guys have to use on people that gives you special info or something related to manipulation? Another question I have for you which is sort of an interesting one. Is there anything - and you don't have to specify what - that you would refrain from telling us here - and I'm not talking about personal details that you would obviously refrain from sharing in order to keep the anonymity of yourself and others protected....but is there anything on the theoretical conceptual or methodological level that you would feel hesitant to share with us, for any other reason? Or are you frankly comfortable sharing any details that don't endanger the identities of yourselves and your associates? I suppose I am wondering - I know that you enjoy our discussions here, and I have always felt that you have been incredibly forthcoming in your disclosures. That's why I am curious if there would ever been a line of subject matter that you would intentionally avoid divulging, for reasons other than professional or necessary - ie, for ideological reasons. An odd question, but one that does interest me.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 21, 2016 9:08:21 GMT
Jos, this is a question I asked on the blog but it is very likely - in the convoluted clusterfuck it became - that you did not ever see it. I made it on 7/13 in response to some of your information on "sleepers".
Is there generally a person assigned to manage a sleeper in a similar way that there is a person assigned to handle a celebrity – obviously, there’s a completely different outcome involved, and differently motivated processes. But there is a person, or group of people, with information about what the sleepers function is, and what their triggers are, and whom retrigger when necessary? Are sleepers monitored at times, or upon occasion? Are there circumstances that are ‘arranged’ for them, such as jobs that serendipitously hire, or – to use the example of ‘a sudden desire to take a personality test on their facebook feed’ – somebody who, leaves that personality test with the knowledge the asset will be motivated to take it?
Are they typically utilized for ‘one-off’ purposes, and then left alone, or is there a more categorical periodic use for them? I know you said – the activation trigger tends to be a ‘one-event’ activation. By that, do you mean they are permanently activated afterwards, or that there is a specific ‘mission’ they are designed to fulfill, and they are only generally activated one time, to do what is designated of them?
How do alters play a role in the formation of sleepers? Regarding most celebrities you said there are three major alters that are sought after by programmers; the sex kitten, the performer, the entertainer. So, what kind of alters are sought after for sleepers – or does it perhaps depend on what their function is.
What does it mean to be an ‘activated sleeper’? Would that perhaps be classified as an altered state of consciousness? Does it involve, an amnesia that follows the activation and prevents accurate recollection? How long does it tend to persist?
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 21, 2016 9:12:22 GMT
And, here was another question, that I asked - I guess in retrospect it is a little vague: What is the process of conditioning like for a celebrity ? How do you handle things like rewards and punishments? What kind of associations do you seek to create? To expand on that, I certainly assume that part of the process of programming is creating associations between stimuli and behavior and emotional experiences. What are the stimuli that you often seek to anchor to certain associations, and how are those symbols or stimuli used? What are the most effective rewards for somebody who 'has it all' in many senses? When you first started posting on the Illuminati Handler thread on GLP you mentioned that your clients were 'empty shells' and that your job in a certain sense was to create these empty shells. How do you create an empty shell? How do you make a person hollow? Does that have anything to do with the loop of obsession - fixation - or does it have something more to do with this process of association, and reward - in short gratuitous oversaturation of material assets - where you condition the mind to value things with no substance, gratification that is not sustaining but in constant need of being stroked and fueled ?
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 21, 2016 9:18:24 GMT
How often are therapists actually handlers? Is there any way to find certain flags that a practitioner may be a handler? If one was seeking to find a trustworthy psychotherapist, what qualities should they look for? You say, unguided treatment of bleeding cases such as the one you mentioned with the football player is a significantly different process than seeking guided treatment with a trusted practitioner. However, going about finding somebody who could be trusted to help seems like it would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. And, I am assuming, would cost a pretty penny. In Hollywood/LA seek those who are NOT expensive but avoid the SF Valley as it is often a fallout point for failed a-listers (porn industry). Also avoid the 'Old Hollywood' areas unless the therapist is both in a new practice and young. Avoid trendy areas.
The best results will be at University among researchers.
I only ask because it is - right next to the SF Valley - Ventura county (places like Calabasas exist in Ventura County ) - know anything about Ventura? I assume not, but, as it is right next to the SF Valley, I wondered if you knew whether it had a similar reputation to the SF Valley. See I suppose, if somebody was enrolled as a student in a major UC like UCI....it would be ideal for them to seek treatment there, but had that person recently withdrawn...it would be unfortunate for them I guess.... Ah - well. No self pity for that hypothetical person. That would be ... le pointless.
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Post by Therin on Jul 21, 2016 23:03:40 GMT
You shouldn't be embarrassed about things like that, Caylus. Often times our mistakes or misunderstandings lead to breakthroughs that wouldn't have been possible otherwise. Plus isolating ones acts lends unwarranted importance to the self. Solid worldview. Sagely, this. Thanks. So you're in the handling business? Don't worry, I'm a capitalist and a nationalist. There's nothing wrong with making an honest living.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 22, 2016 1:43:44 GMT
Jos you mentioned one of the drugs that gets used in MK ultra among retro pratitioners is still LSD. I have some ponderances about the choice of LSD for any variety of mind control. When I was like a senior in high school I did a bit of acid I admit. I always saw it as something that makes people more aware and lucid about reality. I don't understand the way that it is or was used for mind control. How is/was it used with success? Any idea or is it kind of outside your knowledge base? It's always something I've wondered.
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Post by Jos on Jul 22, 2016 2:04:47 GMT
How does one emote an exasperated sigh? Does the psychic warfare view irritate your woo meter? I've been within the 'dark side' of psychology for some time. In all that time, I have never met anyone who could cause aneurysm in another. Well, by 'willing' it. Certain members of various client's families have gotten close.
Thought control doesn't require an elite team of 'psychic ninja' ready to take up 'psychic warfare'. It requires an I-phone. There has never been any divergence so vital as to need a team of 'psi-soldiers' monitoring 'round the clock, nor does the technology exist to do so.
Still, it is a FABULOUS theme for a movie or comic book. I'd pay to see it.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 22, 2016 2:29:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 2:31:33 GMT
I agree but even more so just prior to this. You've made remarkable progress since then I think. Pity certain foolish people sought to hide your wound rather than let you discuss and perhaps begin heal it. There are two philosophies at play here:
Hide it away in a bubble - never to heal but never to greater harm
Expose the wound - risk further harm but potentially heal
I'm glad you chose the latter. Those who'd prescribe to the former mean well but only cause greater hurt. The road to hell...
You mentioned there that "tattling was expected".... What did you mean by that? There are some things I know I have told you - fragments here and there - but there is also a lot that I have not written in any public format/online. I would be curious to hear what you thought of the whole story, in its entirety (and I wouldn't post it on this thread, it'd be its own thread or something) but I have been very, very hesistant to share it all publicly. So when you mentioned - back in one of those links, that I shouldn't be afraid to tattle, that it would be expected for me to do so, and to tell my story if I so wish - do you still think that is true? Would you be interested in reading it all or do you think you know enough? Do you think it would be unwise for me to share? Is it something you would be curious to hear about privately, if there was a format for that discussion to occur? Should I try and forget the whole thing and just move on, even though I find that nearly impossible to do? I know it probably goes somewhat against your style - but if you do ever decide to go out on a limb and make an account here, it might be helpful - just for a pm function. honestly you wouldn't be giving me any additional information I can't already see (your IP address, I know you use a proxy anyhow though). But don't give it a second thought if it would worry you to do so. It is. You're convoluting it. In my recollection, and emotionally, things are awfully convoluted to me. How is it - it what sense are things straightforward? I have never been so torn up or confused in my whole life. So split between self-blame/hatred and undeniable certainly of something awry. My life was thrown completely off track....you could almost say irreparablely damaged. The depression is not nearly as bad as it was a couple months ago (having a daily routine, a job - although crappy - and good friends - has really really helped pull me out of a huge hole - I was unfathomably despondent for several months after returning from out of the country) but sometimes it's hard not to feel bouts of dramatic and frustrated, even when I'm trying to enjoy simple things. I apologize - for talking about myself here. It's not really about me (well - beyond the simple sense that to oneself, things are unavoidably centered on our own experiences...) I'm trying to remain conceptual with our talks here. Problem resolved. At this time I don't think it's a great idea to publically share your experience. Not until certain associations and relationship statuses have been verified. To clarify my words - I am aware that you are speaking in a sort of code with me and there's nothing 'clear' about what you've experienced. But you must also identify what parts of 'you' are keeping you from healing and what parts are truly 'convoluted'. The 'why loop' we spoke about, for example and the flights of fancy. Many wish that we'd explore the stars but we can't even travel to the greatest depths of this planet. I won't say that there is nothing beyond this existence, but you wouldn't leap into a helicopter before you knew how to drive it. These intellects of ours, they are capable of much. How dare any of us to try to reach for the esoteric 'out world' when we don't know the esoteric worlds inside ourselves?
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 22, 2016 2:45:26 GMT
Problem resolved. At this time I don't think it's a great idea to publically share your experience. Not until certain associations and relationship statuses have been verified. To clarify my words - I am aware that you are speaking in a sort of code with me and there's nothing 'clear' about what you've experienced. But you must also identify what parts of 'you' are keeping you from healing and what parts are truly 'convoluted'. The 'why loop' we spoke about, for example and the flights of fancy. Many wish that we'd explore the stars but we can't even travel to the greatest depths of this planet. I won't say that there is nothing beyond this existence, but you wouldn't leap into a helicopter before you knew how to drive it. These intellects of ours, they are capable of much. How dare any of us to try to reach for the esoteric 'out world' when we don't know the esoteric worlds inside ourselves? Yes. you're right about that. I also hate admitting that it's true, but I know it is very much so. I think there is certainly in a sense for me where even an answer isn't enough. The 'why loop', as you say. Hmm. I'm not sure what it would take for me to lay it to rest. Channelling those feelings towards creative is probably the only thing that has consistently helped me in the past....
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 22, 2016 2:54:56 GMT
Does the psychic warfare view irritate your woo meter? I've been within the 'dark side' of psychology for some time. In all that time, I have never met anyone who could cause aneurysm in another. Well, by 'willing' it. Certain members of various client's families have gotten close.
Thought control doesn't require an elite team of 'psychic ninja' ready to take up 'psychic warfare'. It requires an I-phone. There has never been any divergence so vital as to need a team of 'psi-soldiers' monitoring 'round the clock, nor does the technology exist to do so.
Still, it is a FABULOUS theme for a movie or comic book. I'd pay to see it.
It requires an iPhone...wait, what can you do with an iPhone...?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 3:30:18 GMT
Jos, you mentioned that your main client generally doesn't see you unless there is a reason to - I remember one particular comment, that you could cause her to breakdown because you made a face at nasty coffee lol. You are results orientated, you mention. You also described that the initial shattering process can take place with ample one on one time at a facility dedicated for such endeavors. During this time, did you mention that immersive roleplaying occurred? What other kinds of routines would somebody confined to one of these facilities - in the entertainment ministry's jurisdiction - would a budding celeb expect to encounter? Is trauma mixed with love bombardment? Are there sort of 'propaganda' pep talks undergone, a conditioning that leads the celeb to understand why they have been chosen above others and how they should feel special and blessed? Can you sort of describe what this process is like, and the emotional transformation that is expected to take place and which you as a programmer are responsible for guiding and directing? Other than relying less upon drugs and some of the more 'brute force' approaches of older iterations of MK Ultra, what are some of the primary differences between you and your colleagues in the "cerebral" aspects of your approach? I know that you mentioned you have a greater focus on 'long-term' results and outcome - and that is one of the reasons you do not rely upon drug use. But you mention you certainly use betrayal and violation of trust as a predominant method of changing the client's emotional 'base'. Can you describe, potentially, some of the programming goals you have for those initial stages and how you use your knowledge of the mind to engender sought-after outcomes? Personality testing, stuff of that nature - how could you use traits like that in order to better understand how a particular client is best dealt with? I am assuming you are familiar with stuff like the "myers briggs" typology (the jungian one) personality test.... E.G, say you have an ESFP - could you use information like that in order to refine your approach and if so, how? Or is there a better personality test of some kind you might use? Maybe a special handler personality test you guys have to use on people that gives you special info or something related to manipulation? Another question I have for you which is sort of an interesting one. Is there anything - and you don't have to specify what - that you would refrain from telling us here - and I'm not talking about personal details that you would obviously refrain from sharing in order to keep the anonymity of yourself and others protected....but is there anything on the theoretical conceptual or methodological level that you would feel hesitant to share with us, for any other reason? Or are you frankly comfortable sharing any details that don't endanger the identities of yourselves and your associates? I suppose I am wondering - I know that you enjoy our discussions here, and I have always felt that you have been incredibly forthcoming in your disclosures. That's why I am curious if there would ever been a line of subject matter that you would intentionally avoid divulging, for reasons other than professional or necessary - ie, for ideological reasons. An odd question, but one that does interest me. Jung's work is actually quite useful as is the Myers Briggs testing method but ultimately a 'programmer' needs to have really good instincts. in fact, there are cookie cutter modalities that apply to almost any client and these 'tried and true' methods are employed to varying degrees of success. You can formulate a successful, customized program for virtually any subject based on 'surface' observations found in initial work-ups. Language is also telling in that anything a subject often implies or imparts, especially over multiple interviews, can reveal an emotional state, fear, or desire. Pets are also telling as are lifestyles.
In the celebrity world everyone has a mask. It's true also of the 'regular' world, the concept of nature and demeanor but understand that the two are rarely in complete opposition. One displays the other most of the time. In knowing this, you communicate and appeal to each separately, forcing a client into demeanor, when nature is preferred or vice versa. For example: let's say the subject projects as a calm, cool sort but in reality they are a caregiver. You could set up a scenario where they must maintain their preferred projection while appealing to their nature OR force them to break the mask to answer the call of that nature.
Regarding showing care: Always, but not from the programmer. We will establish fear then a form of trust (a last resort sort of trust). We will arrange however, for a number of shows of care and affection on various levels. Some will appeal in that "Hollywood Preconditioning" way, that, "I care about you, so long as you don't interfere with my life". These are expected by the subject, so they have little value outside of a sense of normalcy. Then we will add apparent 'true care' from an unexpected source (that sweet old nurse, the quiet man reading a book at the lunch counter, a janitor, etc.) These are usually utilized in Betrayal Events later on but not immediately (and sometimes not ever). They are also used in other ways which, I'll describe below.
There is a typical experience that can be expected within the confines of a facility but they aren't really different than you'd expect for a typical, wealthy patient. Outside of a rare occasion, you could film the celeb 24/7 and never see anything out of the ordinary (for a psyche patient, which, is quite extraordinary itself). But it's what you don't see (or hear) that is ultimately setting the stage. False relationships, associations, guided thought control, improper medication, lots of 'counseling sessions', inconveniences (pudding but no spoon. An hour's wait to get one). The Programming is in the details and even if these facilities are equipped for the utilization of pain techniques, they must be used carefully because they are dangerously close to the public eye. I can't imagine how programmers get comfortable within them.
Reinforcing how 'good' what is happening to the client begins with the programmer and is reinforced by others beneath our regulation. It is necessary as you could guess, to deliver reinforcing messages with those participants who have established a semblance of true trust and care.
Now, what I withhold from you: As I described many conversations ago, I have a sense of appropriateness that keeps me from posting the grizzlier details of some aspects of my work. my own sensibilities aside, I am sometimes concerned about the legality of such discussion, not for myself but for those involved. As you probably have noticed, I'm not terribly detailed as to my modalities. First, because some are quite proprietary but second, because I know that discussing them at length may wind up in a search engine and act as a beacon to wherever we're holding our conversation. There are thousands (more?) of posts with people claiming to be an Illuminati Insider, etc. (probably ten on GLP as we speak), but none of them are worth being 'monitored'. The moment we start talking about deep modality is probably the moment we start getting watched. Then again, the concepts we're discussing have probably already crossed that line long ago.
Another thing that I often pass on discussing is the level of 'spirituality' found in my work. As you know, my personal philosophies and ideologies would be considered 'vaguely agnostic' at best. But I can't say the same for most of my peers and very few of the people that I have met within the organization. I know that Andrea is likely doing a happy dance right now, but there really are spiritual associations that my peers and colleagues might insist upon should you be speaking with one of them. But unfortunately you got Jos and Jos has the ability to tune out what he considers 'noise'. It isn't that noise doesn't exist. It's more that I believe we're not ready to try to discern it. And there are so many who've listened to this 'noise' and determined that they have arrived at the one and only way to interpret it.
One day (If I'm lucky), I will delve into the noise, but not a moment before I know that I am fully equipped physically and intellectually to do so. For now I will remain happily seeking the expansion of these two things which, I know to be my own.
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