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Post by Jos on Jul 18, 2016 3:11:09 GMT
Heye jos nice to meet you you storyline introduction replicates the storyline of a recent dead person called Skywalker whom kayli knows
Likewise you. Yes, I have recently been made aware of this. I'm not sure that replication was the word you were looking for? What I know of this person would indicate that we share very little in common.
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Post by Jos on Jul 18, 2016 3:13:21 GMT
I'm not sure I understand your question here. Triggers lead to switch/glaze/access state leads to alter. is that what you are looking for?
Let's define a 'trigger' within the confines of our discussion: Trigger = reminder of traumatic event leading to an anticipated outcome. No matter whether self-realized or programmed via OCC: the green light comes on. The rat eats.
All alters are coping mechanisms whether programmed or self-realized. The former is simply based on the expectations and guidance of external forces whereas the latter is freely formed.
So the trigger can produce a behavior or it can produce a switch, depending on how it has been conditioned? Precisely. in optimal condition, the simpler the anticipated outcome, the faster the 'switch'.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 18, 2016 3:17:17 GMT
What does the "ideal candidate" for speculum look like - in terms of emotionally and mentally - and conversally what does the "least ideal" candidate tend to look like? All talent and necessity aside, but speaking strictly of individual responses to the methodology, what kind of traits would change your approach and why? Ideal: A human of average intelligence, who is also possesses high false-esteem and low self-esteem, controlling, shallow, brave, and gullible.
Least Idea: High or low Intelligence, introspective, selfless, cowardly (will tend to block instead of obsess), Imaginative, jaded.
This reminds me of some of our glp conversations about why it is problematic to shatter a writer. Is there any approach in methodology which might mitigate the risk of undesirable side-effects? You mentioned something else, that writers are difficult to truly shatter, but you also said that anybody is possible to shatter and if you were ever assigned a writer you would relish the challenge. So hypothetically if you had to do this to the least ideal candidate, how would you change your approach?
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Post by Jos on Jul 18, 2016 3:19:29 GMT
Not different circumstances, different subjects. One subject may block while another obsesses.
Define trauma? Is it a singular event with a clearly defined beginning and end? Or is it to include the fear, loathing, obsession, and dread of having been traumatized? Is this further trauma that is somehow separated from the 'trauma event"? Not at all. This is the preferred outcome of the event, perhaps more important to developing coping mechanisms like DID than the singular event itself. Reinforce these feelings by making sure the subject knows that more events are 'coming'. none compare however, to the most effective trauma; Why did this happen to me? Even if a subject manages to somehow overcome the loss of control and the myriad feelings that trauma events are designed to lead to, they will often prolong their experience by concerning themselves with 'solving the mystery'.
Emotional trauma leaves no visible marks of course, whereas physical may but I find that the emotional sort usually 'cuts to the chase', bypassing the mind's necessity to deal with the distraction of pain and soreness and creating a loop of obsession. Both however will lead to the same in most subjects, physical trauma can just take a few days more.
As for traumatizing the masses, wouldn't you agree that the current model of daily life for anyone who has to work for a living does a fine job of that for most? The very idea of 'trade' is a sort of trauma to anyone who didn't have lots of marbles before the game began.
Ahh...the loop of obsession. Are you saying, this loop of obsession is useful for reinforcing the trauma? And, the unsolvable mystery propels the loop of obsession? The loop of obsession revisits all of the other reinforcement states. Technically the mystery's solution (the reward) fuels the obsession and the subject propels the loop.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 18, 2016 3:24:54 GMT
Ahh...the loop of obsession. Are you saying, this loop of obsession is useful for reinforcing the trauma? And, the unsolvable mystery propels the loop of obsession? The loop of obsession revisits all of the other reinforcement states. Technically the mystery's solution (the reward) fuels the obsession and the subject propels the loop. Is there any way you could elaborate on that? Is it that - the reward, being the answers sought - are doled out in 'breadcrumbs' that lead the subject down the desired path? And when the subject finds a breadcrumb, the desire to seek and find more breadcrumbs lead to a state of greatly enhanced anticipation and fixation which keeps the person in a state where they are reactive?
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Post by Jos on Jul 18, 2016 3:26:17 GMT
Ideal: A human of average intelligence, who is also possesses high false-esteem and low self-esteem, controlling, shallow, brave, and gullible.
Least Idea: High or low Intelligence, introspective, selfless, cowardly (will tend to block instead of obsess), Imaginative, jaded.
This reminds me of some of our glp conversations about why it is problematic to shatter a writer. Is there any approach in methodology which might mitigate the risk of undesirable side-effects? You mentioned something else, that writers are difficult to truly shatter, but you also said that anybody is possible to shatter and if you were ever assigned a writer you would relish the challenge. So hypothetically if you had to do this to the least ideal candidate, how would you change your approach? There's nothing simple about answering this! The short answer is: it depends upon the quality and accuracy of a client's work-up. If one can identify a few weaknesses then pressure can be applied there. But I'd also have a plan of attrition in place, to 'throw the kitchen sink' at them if necessary, a shotgun approach until other inroads can be identified and exploited.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 18, 2016 3:29:00 GMT
This reminds me of some of our glp conversations about why it is problematic to shatter a writer. Is there any approach in methodology which might mitigate the risk of undesirable side-effects? You mentioned something else, that writers are difficult to truly shatter, but you also said that anybody is possible to shatter and if you were ever assigned a writer you would relish the challenge. So hypothetically if you had to do this to the least ideal candidate, how would you change your approach? There's nothing simple about answering this! The short answer is: it depends upon the quality and accuracy of a client's work-up. If one can identify a few weaknesses then pressure can be applied there. But I'd also have a plan of attrition in place, to 'throw the kitchen sink' at them if necessary, a shotgun approach until other inroads can be identified and exploited. If you ever feel up to it sometime, I'd be interested in hearing the long answer. I would suppose you would need some time to think about that though. It's a pretty speculative question...
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Post by Jos on Jul 18, 2016 3:33:11 GMT
The loop of obsession revisits all of the other reinforcement states. Technically the mystery's solution (the reward) fuels the obsession and the subject propels the loop. Is there any way you could elaborate on that? Is it that - the reward, being the answers sought - are doled out in 'breadcrumbs' that lead the subject down the desired path? And when the subject finds a breadcrumb, the desire to seek and find more breadcrumbs lead to a state of greatly enhanced anticipation and fixation which keeps the person in a state where they are reactive? For any asset who'd take up the loop, it is self-feeding. We are generally talking about personalities who simply can't abide not knowing an answer to something that seems know-able. If it becomes a true obsession, the dominant reactive state-of-being, then it can be reinforced with breadcrumbs if it seems it is losing its effectiveness.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 18, 2016 3:42:22 GMT
Is there any way you could elaborate on that? Is it that - the reward, being the answers sought - are doled out in 'breadcrumbs' that lead the subject down the desired path? And when the subject finds a breadcrumb, the desire to seek and find more breadcrumbs lead to a state of greatly enhanced anticipation and fixation which keeps the person in a state where they are reactive? For any asset who'd take up the loop, it is self-feeding. We are generally talking about personalities who simply can't abide not knowing an answer to something that seems know-able. If it becomes a true obsession, the dominant reactive state-of-being, then it can be reinforced with breadcrumbs if it seems it is losing its effectiveness. so the self-sustaining state of obsession reinforces the trauma by itself. Personally, I consider myself a "personality who simply cannot abide not knowing an answer to something that seems knowable". It makes me think of a lot of the people who get addicted to glp. It makes me wonder if people at glp may be studied in some kind of psychological operation. I don't know if you are aware but tavistock, the stanford research institute and the rand corporation have been implicated in researching people on that site. Do celebrity assets tend to get stuck in this obsessive loop as well?
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 18, 2016 4:17:27 GMT
How often are therapists actually handlers? Is there any way to find certain flags that a practitioner may be a handler? If one was seeking to find a trustworthy psychotherapist, what qualities should they look for? You say, unguided treatment of bleeding cases such as the one you mentioned with the football player is a significantly different process than seeking guided treatment with a trusted practitioner. However, going about finding somebody who could be trusted to help seems like it would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. And, I am assuming, would cost a pretty penny.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 18, 2016 4:41:46 GMT
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Post by Therin on Jul 18, 2016 22:33:53 GMT
You shouldn't be embarrassed about things like that, Caylus. Often times our mistakes or misunderstandings lead to breakthroughs that wouldn't have been possible otherwise.
Plus isolating ones acts lends unwarranted importance to the self.
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 18, 2016 22:35:39 GMT
You shouldn't be embarrassed about things like that, Caylus. Often times our mistakes or misunderstandings lead to breakthroughs that wouldn't have been possible otherwise. Plus isolating ones acts lends unwarranted importance to the self. It's kind of a long story... I wish it was that straightforward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 15:12:43 GMT
Why is it that alters tend to occur alongside dissociation? What is the relationship between alternate personalities and the dissociative experience? And is it ever possible to have profound dissociation without alternate personalities ? Now this is an exceptional question. Some would explain that alters are dissociation but you know otherwise. Dissociation leads to alters as the BIOS screen of a computer leads to alternative hard disks if I may be analogous. I believe that the 'core', the sub-conscious 'watcher' in each of us has a sort of survival instinct/Faisafe that will lead to the creation of alters so that the full 'human' may function once again. In our case, these are guided alters but for the self-realized I believe that each is based on a facet of the core, an amplification of that single facet with a 'being' wrapped around it.
Wow!!! This is an incredible insight - great question and great response! And of course I'd pick up on it since you are dancing around the woo again, Jos ;-) From what you describe, it seems the psyche is self-healing too. Just as the body heals to keep the human going, so must the mind heal to keep the human going - even if it means creating a new personality that is functional under the new circumstances. The loop of obsession is also interesting. I can see how one would definitely obsess over an emotional trauma, reliving it over and over wanting to understand "why." Even if physical trauma is used, I'd bet it's the emotional aspect of the physical trauma that is more powerful in impacting the psyche - at least this is how I would feel. Jos, is there a great difference in how a female is shattered versus a male? Does one sex react better or worse versus the other to different types of approaches - trauma-based or otherwise?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 15:33:34 GMT
Oh and don't get me started with Pokemon Go haha. I have played it with my son who's 12. I felt the pull right away as I love treasure hunting games. He doesn't like it though. He's an intuitive kid. He loved Pokemon as a card game, but he does NOT like the virtual world version. He said it creeps him out lol.
Just think about what it does (and maybe I should be putting this into the other thread sorry :-P) - it creates an intriguing virtual world of treasure hunting overlaying reality. Even at this early stage, players are getting so caught up in it that they walk off cliffs and drive their cars off the road. As Jos says, it distracts and convolutes - just one more thing to keep humans from discovering their own divintiy. It confuses a virtual world with reality, tracks you where ever you go, and even guides you to go to certain locations.
Energy flows where attention goes. The amount of focus and attention the game gets from its millions of players can be used for almost any purpose from corporate marketing to psychological testing and mind control as ideas and seed thoughts can be surreptitiously introduced once you have an addicted audience. What are you willing to do to catch a Dragonite? hehe - Oh, the possibilities are endless.
Maybe the hoards of Pokemon Go players are the true Zombie Apocalypse. LMAO
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 19:49:51 GMT
Hey there, Kayli - or do you prefer I address you as Caylus? Whatever you prefer - I will do. :-) Anyhoo - I read all of those early posts, many of which were by you, before I made my first post on the GLP thread. Very interesting. It reminded me of a short book I read by Inelia Benz called "Interview with a Psychic Assassin." In this book (which she claims is fictional but with a wink), she interviews a woman with psychic abilities who was trained by the shadow government to search out threatening targets and eliminate them using said abilities (she causes some to have brain aneurysms). Here is an excerpt that struck me. This is the assassin describing how individuals are targeted and why: "We have technology, a method to join several individuals, through a bio mechanical computer, that creates a form of Artificially Intelligent monitoring system that can tap into the mind of every person alive. The machine is programmed to identify blips that can break the current system. Blips that can shift our society into a different timeline. Blips that change how we perceive ourselves and the way in which we accept what is real and what is not. It works like a Geiger Counter that can detect different types of radiation. Once the blip is detected, it can quickly be located. Most blips are tiny. Maybe a conversation, someone reading a book that triggers a memory or an alternative timeline, or has a new thought. Those blips are easily erased by the machine. You would recognize them as suddenly not remembering what you just read, the past paragraph or page, or not remembering what you were thinking about or talking about. Sometimes a person forgets the topic completely and repeats the conversation all over again, only to forget it again. Sometimes it’s like a feeling that you don’t want to follow that thought anymore, or read what you are reading any more, or you stop watching something, or stop talking about something because you are afraid that it will never go away. Like it will pollute you. Or it’s dangerous. So you stop. If the machine can’t remove the blip, one of us is sent in to deal with it."
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 19, 2016 23:53:44 GMT
Hey there, Kayli - or do you prefer I address you as Caylus? Whatever you prefer - I will do. :-) Anyhoo - I read all of those early posts, many of which were by you, before I made my first post on the GLP thread. Very interesting. It reminded me of a short book I read by Inelia Benz called "Interview with a Psychic Assassin." In this book (which she claims is fictional but with a wink), she interviews a woman with psychic abilities who was trained by the shadow government to search out threatening targets and eliminate them using said abilities (she causes some to have brain aneurysms). Here is an excerpt that struck me. This is the assassin describing how individuals are targeted and why: "We have technology, a method to join several individuals, through a bio mechanical computer, that creates a form of Artificially Intelligent monitoring system that can tap into the mind of every person alive. The machine is programmed to identify blips that can break the current system. Blips that can shift our society into a different timeline. Blips that change how we perceive ourselves and the way in which we accept what is real and what is not. It works like a Geiger Counter that can detect different types of radiation. Once the blip is detected, it can quickly be located. Most blips are tiny. Maybe a conversation, someone reading a book that triggers a memory or an alternative timeline, or has a new thought. Those blips are easily erased by the machine. You would recognize them as suddenly not remembering what you just read, the past paragraph or page, or not remembering what you were thinking about or talking about. Sometimes a person forgets the topic completely and repeats the conversation all over again, only to forget it again. Sometimes it’s like a feeling that you don’t want to follow that thought anymore, or read what you are reading any more, or you stop watching something, or stop talking about something because you are afraid that it will never go away. Like it will pollute you. Or it’s dangerous. So you stop. If the machine can’t remove the blip, one of us is sent in to deal with it." Andrea, you are welcome to call me Caylus or Kayli. I'll answer to either. That's a fascinating excerpt. Is the book available in some form for reading online? I have had numerous similar thoughts - to something like what is described here... Some of them I have written about in other threads on glp as "fiction" too. Maybe there is really something to it ...
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Post by Therin on Jul 20, 2016 11:49:37 GMT
"...If the machine can’t remove the blip, one of us is sent in to deal with it." The Adjustment Bureau. Dudes with big heads.
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Post by Amadeus on Jul 20, 2016 12:15:19 GMT
"...If the machine can’t remove the blip, one of us is sent in to deal with it." The Adjustment Bureau. Dudes with big heads. places a variant spin within the morphic field non local conscious notion
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Post by Caylus Ark on Jul 21, 2016 0:44:20 GMT
When I get home from work tonight I may add some of the questions and answers from our blog post comments and dicussions because there's some really good material there! It would be too hard to do it from my phone though so later.
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